Venezuela = Iraq. Democrats marching in lockstep behind Trump in his war on Venezuela, like they marched behind Bush

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  • #16611

    ravensong
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    in his war on Iraq.

    It’s like Deja Vu all over again. Just as they were in Bush’s War on Iraq, the Democrats, along with the MSM propaganda machine, are all complicit in this filthy and duplicitous ongoing economic and political assault on the well being and happiness of the people and government of Venezuela, and the sovereignty of their nation, the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.

    I’ve been following this transparent, blatant travesty of justice and decency for several years now.  A right center Democratic party site (of Harry Potter fame, you know what they are) that is full of obvious paid trolls for oligarchy, has been relentlessly promoting regime change in Venezuela in their latest news forum for years.  They were relentlessly pushing fake Third Way propaganda memes attacking Chavez before he died, and stepped up their propaganda attacks after Maduro was elected.

    The bottom line is, the collective of Republican party federal legislators is completely comprised of paid employees of oligarchy, and the majority of the collective of Democratic party Democratic legislators are paid employees of oligarchy.

    Debbie “Dirty Debbie” Wasserman Schultz, who was forced to resign as DNC chair after she was caught lying and cheating while rigging the Democratic party presidential nomination process in favor of Hillary Clinton, is at the forefront of the Democratic Party Establishment’s collaboration with Trump and the global mainstream media’s massive, coordinated effort in bringing about regime change in Venezuela.  Debbie “fixed” the Democratic primary for Clinton, and now she is working to “fix” democracy in Venezuela.

    It is clear that this is another massive, coordinated effort by the global oligarchy, and the public officials and global corporate media empires that the global oligarchy has purchased, and closely manages, to bring about regime change in Venezuela.  It worked so well for them in Iraq.  For the people of Iraq, and the Middle East, not so much.  Unless you consider eternal war and destabilization of entire regions a good thing.

    The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela is a rogue democratic nation that is an oil rich nation whose rejection of global capitalist control is a slap in the face to the global oligarchy’s capitalist world order.  Venezuela is an oil rich nation, which has the economic resources and capability to achieve and maintain a genuine democracy and government of, by, and for,  the people.

    A self-sustaining, genuine democracy and government of, by, and for the people is the antithesis of the global oligarchy’s capitalist world order.  The very nature of a successful and prosperous national republic of this type is a lethal, terminal threat to the global oligarchy’s monopoly of nations that it owns and controls for its own greedy profit driven pleasure.

    So naturally, the global capitalist oligarchy began a focused, sustained, and devastatingly destructive (and global) economic, political, and mainstream media propaganda war against the people of Venezuela, and their democratically elected Bolivarian Republic, right after Chavez was elected President of Venezuela just before the beginning of this century.

    Unfortunately, the gatekeeper censors of free speech apparently inherent in the wordpress build will not allow me to use the dangerous, deadly “S” word, (you know, sort of like sosh lism?).  But the bottom line is, a successful, free, independent, democratic and prosperous S word nation will never be permitted to exist on planet earth, as long as the global capitalist oligarchy remains in control of global economics and politics. They will wage an all fronts war against any nation that rebels against their ownership, control, and authority. And if economic, political, propaganda, etc attacks fail….

    Then they will use their privately owned Global World Police, otherwise known as the US military, to attack and subjugate any nation that rebels against the private ownership, control, and authority of the global capitalist oligarchy.

    Over the years, I have repeatedly posted this excerpt from an essay written by Brother Marcos during the EZLN (Zapatista) rebellion in Mexico in the 1990’s.  Until, unless an individual understands what he wrote below, they will never understand the true natures of national and global economic, social, political, and legal systems.

    For US citizens, it is the reason why we do not already have a common sense, humane health care system like Medicare for All.  The global capitalist oligarchy will not allow it, because it is not enormously profitable for their personal corporate profit interests.  Truth be told, they would heartlessly murder your children without a second thought if they could make an extra buck from it.

    Know your enemy.  It’s not your neighbor.  But it very well may be the wealthy private interests that create your neighbor’s beliefs and opinions.

    The global power of the financial centers is so great, that they can afford not to worry about the political tendency of those who hold power in a nation, if the economic program (in other words, the role that nation has in the global economic megaprogram) remains unaltered. The financial disciplines impose themselves upon the different colors of the world political spectrum in regards to the government of any nation. The great world power can tolerate a leftist government in any part of the world, as long as the government does not take measures that go against the needs of the world financial centers. But in no way will it tolerate that an alternative economic, political and social organization consolidate. For the megapolitics, the national politics are dwarfed and submit to the dictates of the financial centers. It will be this way until the dwarfs rebel …

    http://www.struggle.ws/mexico/ezln/1997/jigsaw.html

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    I wonder if we’ll have Maduro sodomized in the square like we did Gaddhafi in Libya?

    That’ll learn ’em.

  • #16616

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    Superb. Thank you. This is the most important issue facing the American people right now, and most of them don’t even know it. An American military intervention in Venezuela carries potentially catastrophic ripple effects for the entire Western Hemisphere.

    Strongly recommended for the Daily Radical.

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    Spot on OP!  I second Ohio Barbarian’s rec for the Daily radical.

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    More of a goose step rather than a march.

    I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

    Me

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    Excellent post- heartily recommended!

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    Some questions… what gives Guaido the right to declare himself President?  Has he been voted into office by a majority – or by any legal system in Venezuela?  This strikes me as very odd – but am not familiar with his history or connections.

    Also – what gives us, or France, or any other Nation the right to tell any other how to organize its government?  It is beyond hypocritical and absurd that the US, of all Nations, is leading the charge here.

    The current extreme poverty often reported will likely be used as another excuse to “rescue” the people of Venezuela.  The EU will jump in – because they like oil, too.  This isnt about democracy or helping people.

    The former, we have no right to demand – the latter could be accomplished by sending money and supplies.

    I cant imagine that public support would be behind any kind of military intervention.

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    There are two competing legislatures in Venezuela right now, the National Assembly, which the Venezuelan Supreme Court declared illegal, and, I forget what it is. The second one favors Maduro. Supposedly, Maduro stacked the Supreme Court. I don’t know what’s true and what’s not there, but there’s some serious feces being flung. Anyway, this arrogant-looking young man whom Trump declared legitimate president is supported by the National Assembly, which was elected. I don’t know if it was fairly elected or not, but it is the “opposition.”

    The Maduro regime gives me every appearance of being corrupt and incompetent. That said, American sanctions on Venezuela going back to the completely legitimate election of Hugo Chavez, Maduro’s Bolivaran Social*ist predecessor, have done tremendous damage to the Venezuelan economy, no doubt as intended, for Chavez nationalized the oil industry, depressing American oil company profits.

    The price of oil dropped over the last several years, at least partially caused by our “friends,” the certifiably insane Saudis, pumping more oil, which hurt Venezuela’s foreign revenue.

    Things are so bad in Venezuela that millions of refugees are fleeing the country. I think it’s millions, somebody correct me if I’m wrong, please.

    This Guaido character is a scion of the old Venezuelan oligarchy, an Ivy League graduate, whose family has close ties to American corporate interests.

    I think it important to note that the last Venezuelan election had less than a third voter turnout. Seems to me  most Venezuelans didn’t like the “choice” between Maduro, a “social-ist” candidate with tendencies reminiscent to me of Stalin, and the other guy, who was an open tool of American imperialism.

    I would love some input from other JPRers here; I just don’t trust enough available news sources enough to say that I really know what’s going on down there. All I do know is that I am steadfastly opposed to American intervention in Venezuela.

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      One thing I can add is that Maduro’s election was not done through the regular process, and therefor is questionable.  Of course why it was necessary wasn’t explained. Beyond that I wouldn’t trust a single thing I hear in the US media. Maduro is corrupt, it’s what it is down there. Put a rw’r in charge, it will be worse if possible and nobody up here will give a crap. Maduro can hang on as long as the military stands behind him.

      But God’s I wonder how much money is being offered to the brass at the top to turn on him. Their loyalty is why Chavez survived, at least the ones that mattered.

      I tried linking some stuff from N’k Capitalsm the other day but apparently “N’kd” is a bad word.

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        There are two competing legislatures in Venezuela right now, the National Assembly, which the Venezuelan Supreme Court declared illegal, and, I forget what it is.  

        The Supreme Court declared the National Assembly in contempt because it would not purge some of its members (at least 3) had been elected through fraud.   The National Assembly would not hold elections to elect non-fraudulent members

        The second one favors Maduro.   The second legislative body is the Constituent Assembly.  It’s elected members were elected according to the constitution.  Because the opposition members boycotted the election (a tactic typical in the US destabilization tactics – i.e., boycott an election and then claim it lacks legitimacy) they complain that the elected members are illegal.  As Abby Martin argues, even if you don’t like the socialists who were elected to the Constituent Assembly, you should still respect the constitution which is the basis of their election.

        Supposedly, Maduro stacked the Supreme Court.  Appointment of Venezuelan Supreme Court followed Venezuelan constitutional procedures.

        Anyway, this arrogant-looking young man whom Trump declared legitimate president is supported by the National Assembly, which was elected. I don’t know if it was fairly elected or not, but it is the “opposition.”  That the ‘opposition’ is united around Guaido is not true.  Guaido represents a violent and far right and violent wing of multiple groups (socialists, moderates, fascists) that do not like Maduro.  But to say that they are organized behind goals and objectives is not true; in fact that has been their weakness.  It is also untrue to say they are united behind Guaido.   The so-called Guaido faction is not representative of the National Assembly or the opposition.  In fact, I believe if you asked Maduro opponents to make a choice between Maduro and Guaido, they 1.  probably wouldn’t have heard of Guaido until a month ago; 2.  would prefer Maduro over Guaido; and 3.  are united behind opposition to US intervention.   Guaido is known as president of the opposition dominated National Assembly but he was never elected to that position…The four opposition factions that comprised the Unity Table of the National Assembly agreed to set up the leadership position on a rotating basis….There was actually one other leader ahead of Guaido – no one knows what happened to him.

        In conclusion I think the jury is still out on whether or not Maduro is corrupt or this crises is due to his incompetence….I’ve heard journalists and academics argue it both ways.

         

        The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

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      Good post OB. Here is some input from an anti-Maduro polling organization. Despite the source, it still shows the usurper’s legislative body with favorability comparable to HRC in this country:

      Oops, hit the wrong “Reply” link, but on the subject of the election, the opposition boycotted it themselves…

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        Good point. I’ve been following the events happening in Venezuela pretty closely for quite awhile now.  There are no words strong enough to express the degree of my contempt for, and disgust at, the heinous, corrupt activities capitalist economic, political, and media entities that have been relentlessly attacking Venezuela on so many fronts.

        It’s been stunningly filthy, rotten all the way through, and the point you make about Americans only getting the point of view of wealthy Venezuelans is spot on.

        Maduro has been trying to save Venezuela’s sovereignty, and prevent his people from being ruled by wealthy, malevolent foreign invaders intent on imposing authoritarian capitalist control over everything and everyone in Venezuela.

        What is Maduro supposed to do? His country is being brutally economically attacked and destroyed by wealthy foreign capitalists intent on stealing Venezuela’s resources.

        He’s doing everything he possibly can to retain the sovereignty of his nation, and some are calling him corrupt because of it, and that is so very wrong.

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        How was Maduro’s election “not done through the regular process”? Por favor de explicarme, el proceso político de Venezuela.

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      Actually, the last Venezuelan presidential election had roughly the same voter turnout as the 1996 US presidential election.

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    Answers:

    1.His US backing, and the backing of the principals of the 2002 coup against Chavez = his “right”

    2.No one voted for him; there was no vote.  He has the backing of the US and Leopoldo Lopez.  It’s all he needs to stand in front of the protesters, declare himself Dear “Interim” Leader, and get statements of his legitimacy from the US, England, Canada, etc.

    My thought is that if the US can get this charade through, Lopez will get out of jail and take the presidency, as befits his elite gene pool.

     

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    Ozone Tom:

    A very important point, & one liable to get overlooked by Americans.  The people we are hearing from are typically ruling class + top 5%-ers — the type who can go overseas, attend foreign universities, have access to technology, and have foreign connections.

    That’s not the typical Venezuelan.  And its from this narrow slice, filtered through another narrow slice on this end (our oligopolistic media establishment), that 99% of what we hear about VZ comes to us.

    We don’t know what’s ‘true’ or even what truth would look like from the varied viewpoints of VZ citizens — but I see in this thread, people whom I consider pretty fair nevertheless have come to some firm conclusions about what’s going on there, people’s characters, etc.

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    I also remember liberals marching for Obamas illegal wars in 7 countries. Again it proves beyond doubt that our problems did not start with Trump

    Never expect different result by following the previous steps

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    “the gatekeeper censors of free speech apparently inherent in the wordpress build will not allow me to use the dangerous, deadly “S” word, (you know, sort of like sosh lism?).”

    WHAT––SERIOUSLY???  You can’t publish the word on WordPress???

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    This coup in the making has me reevaluating the Prime Minister of my country, Justin Trudeau.

    I’m thinking, this is happening and Canada is playing a central role in it with zero input from Canadian citizens!  There’s vanishingly close to zero critical discussion of Canada’s role, which we only learned of after the fact and mixed with crazy demonizing talk as justification.  There’s hardly anything close to an honest discussion of Venezuelan politics anywhere to be seen.

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    It’;s worth remembering that the majority of Dems in Congress at the time (counting both house and senate) voted against the Iraq war.

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      58% of the Democrats in the Senate voted for Bush’s Iraq War Resolution.

      Most notable among the Democratic Senators who voted in support of Bush:

      Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Joe Lieberman, Harry Reid, Max Baucus

      Joe Biden – Future Vice President, and possible 2020 Dem candidate for President

      Hillary Clinton – Future Secretary of State, Democratic Party Nominee for POTUS in 2016

      John Kerry – Future Secretary of State, Democratic Party Nominee for POTUS in 2004

      Chuck Schumer – Future (and currently) Democratic Senate Minority Leader

      Harry Reid – Future Democratic Senate Majority Leader

      Max Baucus – Primary Puppet Author of the Affordable Care Act

      Dianne Feinstein – War Hawk, War Profiteer

      Joe Liebermann –

      I don’t believe in coincidences of this nature. If you do, I got a piece of land 100 miles due west of San Francisco, prime sea bottom real estate, that you might be interested in purchasing.

      Ya know, eridani, I always enjoy your posts.  I was, kind of still am, an FDR Democrat, and voted for every Democrat on my ballot for over 4 decades, until 2016, when I re-registered as No Party Preference, due to the chicanery engaged in by the DNC,  long after it had already become completely clear to me that the wealthy private interest employees DLC/Third Way/New Democrats had infiltrated and corrupted my Democratic party beyond recognition.

      Now, I’m not sure if there is anyone on the planet who despises, and has more contempt for, Trump, Republicans, fascists, and everything else right wing authoritarian more than I do. I want to root out and destroy every vestige of fascism on earth, to rid humankind of this deadly species wide aggressive cancer.  Including insidious New Democrat Third Way corporatism.

      You know as well as I do that the Democratic party has been almost totally compromised by wealthy private interests.

      The Right Center Third Way Corporatist Democratic Establishment is thoroughly corrupt, and has pledged the soul of the Democratic party to the global oligarch “devil”.  Their sole purpose is to serve and protect the wealthy, and all their interests, from the threats of democracy and economic justice.  They are corrupt, false, and deceitful, and their modus operandi is to engage in bipartisanship with Republicans whenever possible, in order to continually move the Democratic party farther to the right, in service of the wealthy private interests that employ them to do so.  They use identity politics as a lure, holding a carrot in front of the donkey to keep it engaged, in order to maintain a generally poorly informed or misinformed segment of their voter base that keeps them in power.  In this way, they become a permanent, effective foil to real Democrats, the progressive Democrats, the FDR Democrats, as well as the collective progressive community who are not Democrats.

      The Third Way Establishment New Democrats are the anti-democratic, anti-economic justice and anti-social justice gatekeepers of oligarchy.

      My point…

      We cannot overlook, excuse, or justify the corruption of the anti-democratic Third Way Corporatist Democratic Establishment. They are not good people, and they do not have our best interests in heart or mind.

      They should not be defended because they are, at least ostensibly, better than Trump and Republicans. Those Senators who voted to support Bush did not do so because that clever little Georgie Bush tricked them, like they all claim.

      They voted to support Bush’s war because they are corrupt, dedicated tools of oligarchy.  And the current New Democrat establishment is supporting Trump’s war because they are corrupt, dedicated tools of oligarchy.

      They want Venezuela to be conquered and ruled by capitalist oligarchs.

      Just business, as usual.

      Our best course of action is to full on push the progressive agenda with passionate, unyielding resolve, focus, dedication, communication, and action.  I’m not here to help Trump and Republicans get reelected by telling the truth about the Third Way Corporate New Democrat Establishment.  I want all Republicans out of office forever. Trump is a thoroughly evil, rotten human being, probably a certifiable sociopath in the extreme.  I don’t want him re-elected under any circumstances circumstances.

      But I don’t want the Third Way Corporate New Democrat Establishment concubines of the oligarchs elected either, although they would be better than the shameless, proud authoritarian fascists like Trump and the Republicans, who are going to lose big in 2020, no matter what.

      I prefer they lose to us, and not the New Democrats.

      Yes, it’s true, a majority of Democrats, when including both houses of congress, did vote against the IWR.  Unfortunately, the majority of Democrats in the Senate did vote for the IWR.

      That was, and is, completely unacceptable, and so very, very wrong.  And supporting Trump’s covert invasion of Venezuela is just as unacceptable, and just as wrong.

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    thanks for the reminder of sub-commandante marcos, whom I hadn’t thought about for years.  I went back and reread some of his statements from back in the day, and it was weird, because what had once seemed a bit cryptic to me then was now clear as a bell in hindsight.

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