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    Virginia Gov. Declares State of Emergency, White Nationalist Rally Turns Violent

    Fights erupted Saturday morning and at least two people were hurt as white nationalists and counter-protesters violently clashed in Charlottesville, Virginia, where local police and the governor declared a state of emergency.

    Supporters of the “Unite the Right” rally descended again on the city’s downtown in opposition to clergy members and other groups, who stood in a line singing “This Little Light of Mine” to drown out the profanity and slurs.

    “Love has already won. We have already won,” the counter-protesters responded.

    But as the violence intensified with shoving and punching, demonstrators covered their mouths after tear gas was apparently released into the crowd.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/torch-wielding-white-supremacists-march-university-virginia-n792021

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  • 99thMonkey (3519 posts)
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    1. WE LOVE you MORE! god-dammit! Take THAT (BIFF!!)

    :facepalm:

  • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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    2. in the photo at the bottom of the page the person being helped away

    appears to be one of the rightists (judging by the t-shirt logos surrounding him)

    can anyone tell better than I?

    and is marriana sotomayor any relation to the SC justice?

    • Spanishprof27 (237 posts)
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      3. He does appear to be one of the rightists.

      It says he’s been pepper sprayed in the face.

       

      • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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        4. the guy in the blue in the near distance behind him seems to have some kind

        of iron cross t, and the guy to the left has that triangle emblem on his t, which i’d got the impression was some kind of modern variant of some rightist symbol.  also the hyper-manicured aspect of the 2 guys in gray – their personal grooming fits the stereotype (i realize its just a stereotype)

        i can’t tell what the logo is of the guy on the right though

        • Spanishprof27 (237 posts)
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          5. That picture seems to be gone now when I click on the link.

          n/t

          • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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            7. yes its gone. i wonder why? maybe theu were too easily identifiable.

  • Babel 17 (2817 posts)
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    6. The press hanging around like hungry vultures doesn't help

    These groups need to be shunned. “Beneath contempt” is an old and well used phrase for a good reason; it often fits the occasion.

    Counter rallies can be held far apart, and their message with its contrast to the one of the haters will speak volumes.

    The press can show the peaceful people, and the press can show the deranged ones. They shouldn’t be waiting around raking in the ratings as they wait for violence to erupt.

    The cops and the authorities need to push this idea. Let it be known there will be arrests even just for pushing and shoving. You don’t have to charge the people, just have zero tolerance for any escalations to violence on our streets.

    And the shunning of the haters means you only give them the bare minimum of getting their faces out there. Go with your notebooks, and not your cameras, at the ready. If they start committing crimes then you start documenting it.

    They’re the press, not film makers, and they should remember that. Don’t be helping with the staging of an event so that violence becomes more likely.

    • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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      8. considering it's cops sometimes undercover starting the pushing and shoving

      so they can make arrests, who knows?

      i think better to stand at a distance and film silently.  i mean citizen journalists.

      but i like your idea of counter rallies.  still, same problems hold.

      • Babel 17 (2817 posts)
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        9. The 60s and 70s redux?

        Half career advancement by the agents in the field, half genuine desire by the bosses to get an excuse to make felony arrests.

        But if you’re at a counter rally then the undercover cops can only arrest each other at the violent one. I doubt they’d want to come and stick out like a sore thumb at the peaceful rally. Their faces, and even voices, would get recorded on dozens of devices. In a wrestling match, they’d lose just by force of weight.

        The trick for that nonsense is to be in a crowd, and egg on others. Once the street fighting starts in earnest, they advance to the rear.

        • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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          10. not really; if people get pushed and shoved, they're likely to return the

          same, especially hot heads not trained in non-violence (as in the civil rights movement)

          and sometimes for reasons of simple self-protection

          I take your point about ‘egging people on’

          however, i’ve seen instances of it

          if you’re masked (e.g. black bloc) even easier

          videos on youtube of people doing exactly that then disappearing behind the cops

          one in canada that i remember particularly well because one older gentleman called the police on it and someone was filming

           

  • LaaDeeDaaVA (1886 posts)
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    11. Where the hell was he prior to having to declare a state of

    emergency?

    It wasn’t like the event a spontaneous eruption.  Idiot.

     

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