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    WaPo promotes secret group (propornot) seeking end to independent media

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    Washington Post promotes secret group calling for existential threat to independent media
    Brook Hines | The Florida Squeeze | Dec 3, 2016

    Americans take for granted the right to communicate freely without interference. I know I do, but I believe it’s time to adopt a less laissez-faire attitude. Attempts to silence professors and independent voices on the internet are increasing, and worse, they’re being accepted without critical evaluation by Democrats who believe the conspiracy theory that the Kremlin helped elect Donald Trump.

    ITEM 1 — Secretive website calls for Congress to investigate independent media for espionage

    Over Thanksgiving the Washington Post published a widely scorned article by tech reporter Craig Timberg entitled “Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say.” In its stunning revelation of Kremlin-generated “fake news,” the article cited the work of an anonymous website calling itself PropOrNot which urges the blacklisting of some 200 media sites and even calls for them to be brought before Congress and investigated for espionage. The group is also peddling a Chrome browser plug-in that will filter your news for you.

    In a move that stunned journalists everywhere, Washington Post editors allowed Timberg to publish the piece using input only from the anonymous website (and supporters), failing to contact any of the smeared sites which include the award-winning Naked Capitalism, and left-leaning Truthout, and TruthDig. To excuse himself from any journalistic ethics while stoking fears of a Russian invasion, Timberg quotes a PropOrNot “director” as saying he doesn’t want to be identified because he’s frightened of being “hacked by Russia.,” and/or being assassinated like Jo Cox the British M.P. killed by a right-wing terrorist.

    The gravity of this cannot be overstated. One of the country’s main papers of record smeared 200+ online publishers as “traitors” (calling for FBI and DOJ investigations), on the basis of an unarticulated theory put forth by an anonymous website. This move threatens the existence of independent progressive media organizations.

    Even when PropOrNot deigns to provide a glimpse into their methodology, all you get is, “whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda (does not matter) … if they meet these criteria (critical of US foreign policy, for example), they are at the very least acting as bona-fide ‘useful idiots’ of the Russian intelligence services, and are worthy of further scrutiny.” Americans old enough to live through the Cold War’s McCarthy-era all shuddered in unison. “Useful idiots” is a familiar smear designed to establish a presumption of guilt without evidence.

    According to PropOrNot, dissent is evidence enough of Russian-sponsored information warfare. They overtly state that criticism of US foreign policy, specifically with regard to the Ukrainian resistance to Russia and Syrian resistance to Assad, is enough to prove a media voice is working in tandem with the Kremlin. Further, criteria for Russian propaganda includes “criticism of the United States, Barack Obama, Clinton, the European Union, Angela Merkel, NATO, Ukraine, ‘Jewish people,’ U.S. allies, the mainstream media, Democrats, and ‘the center-right or center-left, and moderates of all stripes.’”

    By this measure the Washington Post should be on their list. For everyone else, stick to celebrity gossip and the weather if you hope to avoid being labeled a traitor.

    PropOrNot asks for Google and Facebook to join them and BLOCK 200 publications from search engines and social media, a move which would put any progressive news organization out of business.

    If your publication wound up on PropOrNot’s list, not to worry though! You can appeal directly to the nameless and faceless patriots behind PropOrNot, and they’ll consider removing you. I’m sure they will be totally fair, and will in no way accept large cash donations in exchange for having your record expunged.

    Since the story broke it’s been pushed by heartbroken Clinton campaign associates looking for a Russian answer to their lousy election results. The dangerous irony is they’re tearing down the Fourth Estate’s check on power at the very moment when a neo-fascist wannabe-dictator is taking control of the White House and the nuclear football. They’re empowering their own political opponents to label future examination as terrorism, using the flaccid excuse that American Democracy depends on censoring the free press and internet.

    Remember too, that the new owner of the Washington Post, Jeff Bezos (as majority owner of Amazon) is also overseeing the contract for all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies’ move to the cloud. With such high stakes, Bezos and the Washington Post are not neutral players in the field of government oversight. Nor does the Washington Post have a clean record with regard to past intelligence interference in content.

    ITEM 2 — World leaders rollout “fake news” hysteria prior to PropOrNot launch

    Unsurprisingly, so-called real news is uncritically parroting the propaganda. After three full days of trending controversy, Maddowblog also promoted PropOrNot as a useful tool for identifying traitorous bloggers. After four days Slate did the same. Useful tools, indeed.

    But who could blame them when the President himself was out catapulting the propaganda. Prior to the Post article, on November 17, President Obama and German Chancellor Angela Merkel concern-trolled independent media, with Merkel floating the notion that perhaps it’s time to regulate bloggers. It’s important to note that these leaders took to the media with this message BEFORE the Washington Post story broke, because PropOrNot claims that the “US government” is “aware” of their activity, and they intimate that the USG tacitly approves—as if they’re working together.

    Judging from the comments of President Obama and Angela Merkel I have no reason to doubt this. Here’s Merkel on November 23, one day before the Washington Post story: “Something has changed — as globalization has marched on, (political) debate is taking place in a completely new media environment. Opinions aren’t formed the way they were 25 years ago,” she said.

    Quoted by France 24, she sounded the alarm: ”Today we have fake sites, bots, trolls — things that regenerate themselves, reinforcing opinions with certain algorithms and we have to learn to deal with them.” The chancellor said the challenge for democrats was to “reach and inspire people. However, should that fail, Merkel essentially suggested the time for censorship has come: “we must confront this phenomenon and if necessary, regulate it.”

    While Obama and Merkel are calling for the regulation of free speech on the internet, President-elect Trump has long wished to shut down American’s access to “parts of the internet.” On December 8, 2015 in a speech at the U.S.S. Yorktown in South Carolina, he suggested that Bill Gates should help the country shut off parts of the internet. “We’re losing a lot of people because of the Internet,” Trump said. “We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, ‘Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.’ These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people.”

    There was a time when leaders floating such undemocratic ideas would receive a speedy rebuke by U.S. Presidents because this is what totalitarian governments do.

    PropOrNot has advice for those wishing to avoid getting caught up in a Russian espionage dragnet: simply curtail your media consumption to mainstream outlets such as MSNBC and the Washington Post (they would NEVER mislead you by normalizing Donald Trump or propagating lies about WMDs in Iraq).

    Stick to the narrative and no one gets hurt.

    And accept the fact that the mainstream narrative in the era of Trump to include information on DAPL, tax havens, living wages and less of benefit to working Americans, people of color, immigrants or the LGBTQ community.

    If these leaders were seriously concerned about Americans not getting enough high quality news, then the answer is to cultivate MORE independent media organizations, not put the ones we have out of business.

    We currently have a monopoly on news distribution, the likes of which this country has never seen. Just six corporations own all the major news sources — and that’s not six MEDIA corporations. That’s six industries with interests that include military spending. According to one estimate, just 232 media executives control the messages that 277 million people rely on to understand our world. This results in a full 80 percent of radio programming being homogenous. So, 90 percent of what Americans see, hear and read is totally controlled by big media, and that’s not good enough for them.

    Now they want to shut down indie progressive sites too.

    ITEM 3 — Intelligence, government entities behind censorship moves?

    Who exactly is PropOrNot? A review of their 3-month old Twitter account reveals the kind of tweets you might expect were geared to a Howard Stern audience. Here’s one: Updated report here: https://t.co/mcAZDtwirx Russian imperialists & bots/trolls are vewwy vewwy upset; we’re stoked! #Путінхуйло  [email protected]

    Here’s another that tellingly features a common Ukrainian fascist salute:

    Here’s the always on-point Mark Ames providing background on the 1940-era fascist salute used by PropOrNot:

     

    This story isn’t just about free speech and the internet. It’s about foreign policy, and that’s what makes it especially frightening, and especially troubling because it appears that ex-military internet trolls have been given access to influence policy leaders and distribute propaganda within the U.S. using the one of our premier newspapers of record.

    The same day the Washington Post published their story, a Facebook friend posted a list of “fascism fighting tactics,” penned by Yale historian and Holocaust expert Timothy Snyder. This list included “Investigate…Spend more time with long articles … bookmark PropOrNot or other sites that investigate foreign propaganda pushes.”

    As I like to investigate and figure things out for myself, I went to investigate PropOrNot. At this point I was unaware of the WaPo story. The first thing I found was there’s no Whois contact for PropOrNot, and no “about us” that shows ownership. However, in their introductory post they say that they need to thank a lot of people who wish to remain anonymous, and that their ALLIES blogroll contains some of those associated the effort. Off I went to through the list to examine the closest associations.

    I wasn’t the only one. The WaPo article had exploded on Twitter, and a number of journalists were sounding the alarm. That afternoon Max Blumenthal published at Alternet, writing, “Among the websites listed by PropOrNot as “allies” are a number of groups funded by the U.S. government or NATO. They include InterpreterMag, an anti-Russian media monitoring blog funded through Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty…which is edited by the hardline neoconservative Michael Weiss.”

    In my research I found that another ally is Center for European Policy Analysis, or CEPA, which runs what it calls the “Information Warfare Initiative.” CEPA’s leadership is tied to The Legatum Institute, which aims to help policymakers advance transatlantic efforts counter Russian disinformation in the Eastern Europe.

    ITEM 4 — PropOrNot: agents for Ukraine? 

    With regards to Ukraine, there is a second affiliation worth mentioning, as pointed out by award-winning investigative reporter Dave Lindorff at the blacklist Counterpunch. He noticed that while all entities associated with the website are hidden behind a veil of secrecy, one name slipped through. Joel Harding reviewed some of the accused Russian material published on PropOrNot that was used to “agnostically” prove Russian influence. Check out Lindorff’s piece: “Confessions of an Alleged ‘Russian Propagandist’: A Pentagon Hit?”
    Joel Harding’s “Come Hither Rooskies” fall look for cyber-stalking.
    Additionally, according to George Eliason at globalresearch.ca, Ukraine’s “king troll,” Joel Harding is a former military intelligence officer who currently promotes himself via his website ToInformIsToInfluence.com as a specialist in “Inform and Influence Operations,” (IIO), which is military jargon for information warfare focused on psychological operations and military deception.

    Harding writes that to combat Russia he looks for those taking “active measures,” which in the context of information warfare is anyone writing favorably for a military/intelligence opponent. Chillingly, he asserts that these people are (knowingly or unknowingly) engaged in terrorist acts that are just short of a hot war. According to one analyst, Inform and Influence operations likely targeted Rep. Alan Grayson after his opposition to intervening in Syria and Ukraine.

    Writing for the New Yorker, Adrian Chen reports that PropOrNot reached out to him in late October on the suggestion of Sen. Ron Wyden’s office. Wyden staffer Keith Chu said that an ex-State Department employee and an I.T. researcher on the PropOrNot team had requested Wyden’s help. Staffers directed PropOrNot on press strategy and told Chen, “There has been bipartisan interest in these kind of Russian efforts…for some time now, including from Senator Wyden. Just this week, Chen also reports that Wyden teamed up with six other Senators from the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees on a letter to the White House asking to declassify information regarding Russian interference in the election.

    Indeed the prospect of foreign meddling in U.S. elections warrants examination, but calling for an internet blockade of independent media by shunting Google and Facebook access for more than 200 websites is a move that would make Putin blush.

    A shady, anonymous group to attacking internet freedom in the hope of silencing dissenting opinion or inconvenient reporting, is the very definition of anti-Democratic. It’s time for the Washington Post to be accountable as a “paper of record,” and either reveal who is behind this attack, or retract their story and apologize. As a Facebook commenter said, “Can Washington Post provide a blacklist of politicians taking big bucks from corporations and foreign entities?” That’s what “real journalism” used to do, and if they were still in that business, chances are there would be no such thing as a “fake news” crisis.

    I won’t hold my breath waiting for the Washington Post to come around. But in the meantime I will continue to follow this story, so PropOrNot might as well add my name to their list of ill-repute.

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    • Enthusiast (8252 posts)
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      1. This country really is circling the drain.

      As if the media hasn’t been compromised enough now they propose censorship.

      This should destroy the Washington Post for good.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
      • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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        2. i watched the Truthdig livestream on Thurs, and it was evident

        that they’re scared they will be put out of business.

        think about it…a publication can’t be found on Google or FB…they might as well not exist.

        • Sadie (3068 posts)
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          3. Assange

          warned us not to use Google before his internet was cut.  I use duckduckgo and have the same if not better results.

            Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
          • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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            4. i did the same (duck duck go)

            • Haikugal (5310 posts)
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              21. So did I.

                Be the bird.....       Hey DNC! Up Yours! It's ON!! Kick against the pricks!!!
          • Pacco Fransisco (3606 posts)
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            60. You can also use Firefox 'Foxyproxy' which I always have enabled.

            I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
            • Salemcourt (389 posts)
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              90. Firefox and thunderbird.

              EOM

          • joentokyo (372 posts)
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            64. Been using duckduckgo for general searches instead of google for years.

            But I still used others, for instance wikipedia. Recently I set my browser to use ONLY duckduckgo.com for searches.

            “America has the best politicians money can buy.”~Will Rogers  
        • Lynetta (678 posts)
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          8. In case the internet was shut down to them journalists are making plans..

          Since we are already being watched I will let Agent Mike find out how on his own.

          • jwirr (3372 posts)
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            11. I thought of Agent Mike when we where reading all those Podesta papers. And if

            the talk about the disagreement regarding Hillary in the FBI there are still some good Agent Mikes.

        • mick063 (2210 posts)
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          31. It is people like you that keep access to independent news alive.

          I don’t have duckduckgo, but I can click on the links provided here. I can read your articles because of your membership here.

          In other words, with respect to politics, JPR has become my “search engine”. I don’t even really have to search. I
          just show up to see what is new. All I need is a little critical thought to wade past some of the alt right references used to oppose Clinton (as if they were ever needed). Just because there were some insane blogs opposing Clinton does not exonerate her from her corruption.

          I trust my instincts to discern the credible stories. I also rely upon earned credibility of certain posters…..like you.

          "I welcome their hatred"    Franklin D. Roosevelt
          • Peacebird (826 posts)
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            36. Anyone with internet can use duckduckgo.com

            we use it all the time

          • Earth artist (659 posts)
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            53. Same

          • GloriaMundi (548 posts)
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            80. "I don’t have duckduckgo"…

            …yes you do.  Instead of using google.com up in the address bar, type in duckduckgo.com and hit the enter key.  That will take you to the duckduckgo search engine site, which you use just like Google, by typing in search terms.

            You can even make it your home page in your browser settings.  Many browsers are set to google.com (or other sites) by default, but you can change that if you like.

    • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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      5. We're on the list

      They’re actually pretending we’re a news site.

      What I initially thought was laughable has now become really frightening. Not for me personally. For our country and the world.

      Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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        13. We are not a news site.

        There are pro-Russian articles posted here that talk about Aleppo and the Ukraine.  I pretty much ignore them now because I have no confidence in the sources of the “news” and know that I know nothing about Aleppo or Ukraine.

        On the other hand, there are lots of great articles on other issues that are posted here.

        The anti-Soros articles are ridiculous to me.  I’ve lived a long time, and anyone who criticizes Soros without criticizing a lot of other people first is just not paying attention in my opinion.

        But this site is all about and only about opinion.  Most people here do not go out and investigate and report back on the news.  This is primarily a site on which we refer to other sites where people do go out, investigate and report back.

        So, if someone thinks we are too pro-Russian or pro-Syrian, etc. all they have to do is join and post articles THEY like and get the feedback.  If that is too much trouble, then they aren’t serious in their critiques of this site.  They are just breathing fire in the Washington Post.  Nothing more.

        If they think we are too pro-Russian, they are free to post anti-Russian information.  That’s the way freedom of speech works.  I often argue with others on this site.  Haven’t been asked to leave yet although I was asked to stop pushing Hillary even though I didn’t think I was pushing her since I didn’t support her in the first place.  I just assumed no one here would support Trump, and lo and behold, I think that even the Trump supporters on this site are beginning to figure out why I thought that.

        No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
        • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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          17. I think much of the so called "pro Russia" things posted

          Are thoughtful and well researched. But just like much published in the U.S., everything should be researched by the reader. Lots of it on both sides is nothing more than propaganda. Both sides have a grain of truth and much twisting of facts. Somewhere in the middle is probably truth.

          But we have a mainstream media that helped us start an illegal war. They’ve been doing nothing but working for the government ever since.

          As far as you being asked to stop pushing Clinton, that’s not at all what was said. And just like people pushing trump, you were only asked to “chill on some of it” and never asked to stop.

          We are a message board. We have some excellent writers and activists. We do have a few real journalist. And we’re damn proud of our members. You are most definitely included in this.

          We’ll do whatever we have to to fight this crap. It’s McCarthyism pure and simple

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • Live and Learn (1506 posts)
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            19. +1000

          • ThomPaine (3523 posts)
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            65. +10,000

            aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
          • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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            76. this is important — it cuts both ways

            the MSM isn’t saying be critical. they’re saying “don’t read these sites.” if they asked readers to be critical it would cut into their own BS.

            • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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              81. Yes. No two ways about it

              And they’re trying to limit the information we can receive on the internet. Unreal

              Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • hifiguy (1525 posts)
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            84. + a brazilian.

            Keep calm and brony on!
            • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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              91. LOL!

              Love it! Such a big number AND a great look. :lol:

              Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • retired liberal (1366 posts)
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          97. I think this, JPR, being a 'news site' comes from

          another site somewhere, before it went rogue and ran off anyone that knew what was going on.
          At one time members could get news and going-ons, two to three days before it showed up in the media. Those days are now long gone.

          I think it was the Hillary camp that came up with Russia hacking our elections. She lost, so why else? Surly that many voters couldn’t be that wrong, so it had to be the Russians.
          More proof, for me anyway, that the Hillbot site is getting desperate to stay relevant somehow.

          No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up. Lily Tomlin
      • Pacco Fransisco (3606 posts)
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        61. So uhm I guess Trump is on the list too …right?

        I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
        • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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          63. Bawhaha!

          :roflmao:

          Must be.

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • DirkGently (15 posts)
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      6. Wow, so "PropOrNot" is basically someone's Op.

      I’ve been following this since it came out as well, and this is a great concatenation of all the information out there, and a nice meditation on what’s being attempted.

      I hate to invoke the insane malice of Alex Jones for any reason, but he’s right at least that we are fighting “Infowars” now. And I have a theory.

      So, all through the primaries and beyond, we’ve seen an intensification of the battle for the soul of the Democratic Party. I don’t think anyone here needs a reminder of that. The influence of big money has always been an issue of course, but this time it came with some very odd, quite focused bits of malicious rationale and some very focused attacks. Essentially, I think money is in the process of panic-fleeing from the Republican Party, and is attempting to make the Democratic Party its new home.

      Consider:

      – The weird piece of illogic that social progress and economic progressivism are at odds. What in the HELL is that all about? All these little nuggets about how Sanders-style calls for universal healthcare or education were somehow at odds with social justice like Black Lives Matter? How “white progressives” and (my favorite bananas attack) “white liberal women” were somehow the real enemy or problem for Democratic and social justice efforts?

      – Attacks on progressive candidates like Alan Grayson DURING the primaries, from Dems as high up as, and literally including, President Obama, in favor of literal past Republicans like Patrick Murphy (I know, people have legitimate reasons for not liking Grayson, but it is just not a normal thing for a sitting President, a Vice President, and leading members of Congress to go all-out against a successful, sitting Dem like Grayson. I got a freaking robocall from Obama during the primary for Pete’s sake).

      – This queer focus on Russia and Russians as being the source of all the trouble in the world, including a bizarre return to talk about “Soviets” and “communism,” which really aren’t part of the Russian picture at this point. Remember Joy Reid’s insane Twitter rant about Sanders, Stein, Assange, Putin, and Trump all being “comrades” and “soviets”  http://www.mediaite.com/online/joy-reid-roundly-derided-for-tweeting-that-russia-is-still-a-communist-state/ )?

      – The proposition that if there were any shenanigans in voting (keeping that door open for the time being) it was, again, Russia behind it?

      – And now this. A sudden, massively distributed declaration that institutionally critical voices on the Internet should be disqualified from all consideration, blocked, investigated, and possibly prosecuted, all based on anonymous criticism from a brand new website?

      This is an operation. Note, that does not imply a worldwide “conspiracy.” Just a few basic powers that be, like the notoriously Third Way Washington Post, disseminating a pretty good interpretation of ’50s-era Red Scare paranoia tactics, aimed squarely at making sure the failures of the big-money-annointed candidates — Republican AND Democratic — receive no traction as any kind of popular demand for left-of-Wall-Street policies.

      Great piece.

      • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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        12. welcome to JPR, DirkGently!

        There’s plenty of evidence that this “Rooskies are coming” propaganda has been circulating within the Dem party for months. Instead of winning an election by making an appeal that would excite Americans, they decided INSTEAD to try and terrify us into voting for them. no one wants to pick a candidate with a Cold War pointed at their head.

        If you want the most current intel-community propaganda that’s floated by the Dem establishment just follow joy reid on twitter. she has no shame.

        i worked on Alan’s senate campaign, and while there was PLENTY of blame to go around within his circle advisors (esp from field and digital), i saw evidence that he was targeted way back in 2015. i just didn’t understand WHY that would have been, at the time. now i do.

        • DirkGently (15 posts)
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          14. Thanks! Glad to be here.

          And good to see so many familiar faces.

          Authoritarians always want to convince you via fear, and can’t help projecting their motives onto others.

          It’s especially odd that JPR made the PropOrNot “Commie” list. With respect for this fine site, who even know about it, outside of center-right Dems who would consider it too rebellious or whatever?

           

          Hmmmm.

          • ThomPaine (3523 posts)
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            67. "it’s especially odd that JPR made the PropOrNot “Commie” list." You do know

            that the R in JPR stands for Radicals?  It’s right out there for even the WaPo to figure out.  We don’t even try to hide it.  I think Mary, Matariki, and what’s his name should have name this place “Jackpine Sociables” or like that.  Maybe we could slip by the McCarthyesk WaPo and their witch hunt.

            Good to see you here.  :hi:

            aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
          • sabrina (5959 posts)
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            71. The fact that JPR was on the list tells us a lot about someone who is part

            of this McCarthyite Witchhunt. Considering how narrow the viewership of this forum is, the inclusion of the site narrows down quite a bit, WHO put it on that now notorious ‘blacklist’. I have my own theories and didn’t need to have this story to form those those theories about a couple of ‘old friends’ on a site that oddly, didn’t make the list.

            Further narrowing it down is that not one of the sites listed, was a Clinton Supporting site.

        • MistaP (5259 posts)
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          34. as SoS Clinton herself produced FP disasters based on a "blame Russia for

          literally any problem” worldview, a Haig-esque hard line that Kissinger spent much of his career fighting; it’s practically an antique

          she greenlit Honduras 09 because Bush’d driven Zelaya to buy oil cheaper from Venezuela than from the US (the fiend!) so she interpreted that as “entering the Russian orbit”; she considers Correa’s Ecuador and Morales’ Bolivia as aligned with “our enemies in the region” (Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba) and perhaps even, in some way, on some level, deserving of similar regime change

          entering Libya was seen as a way to hit at Moscow–not just because Qaddafi was long an (embarrassing) ally but because any “tyranny” must naturally be Russia’s doing; ditto Assad; Iran’s obliged to be tight with Moscow and the Saudi intervention in Yemen is against the Shiites there (another reason we were in Lebanon in the 80s and funding Sunni terrorists–we thought Shiism was “the real problem” in the ME then); the government repression in Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, and Arabia’s Eastern Province was also anti-Shiite

          Reagan and the Birchers literally believed that the entire media, churches, politics, schools, universities, militaries were all controlled by the KGB–needless to say that’s rather dangerous to have in your head 24/7

          http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
      • Live and Learn (1506 posts)
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        20. Great post.

      • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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        25. Welcome!

        Glad to see you.

        Great post. I wish I could rec it.

        Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • DirkGently (15 posts)
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          48. Thank you!

          Really enjoying the site. Looks terrific!

          • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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            55. I'm glad you like it

            I take no credit for the look of it. :)

            Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • LiberalArkie (3899 posts)
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        28. I can't find anyone on the list that supported Clinton in the election

        • DirkGently (15 posts)
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          49. Does seem to be

          … a pattern with these guys.

        • sabrina (5959 posts)
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          72. First thing I noticed. And the inclusion of this little site, narrows it down

          even more.  Shameful, McCarthyite smear campaign and definitely actionable. Which apparently is in the works from what I read today. If only to flush these anti-American/Democracy McCarthyites out into the open, I believe that all those included on that shameful list should join forces and sue these anti-Democracy traitors. And I do view anyone who attempts to silence the press in this country to be a traitor.

          They have been trashed as they deserve but that is not enough, they need to be exposed and the WaPo has an obligation to reveal their identity and also the Post itself should be included in any lawsuit.

          • Gryneos (1425 posts)
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            86. It would be interesting to see what would happen

            in any lawsuit taken against the site, presumably for libel. If their owners are based in the military and other security agencies of the US, would a lawsuit be able to reveal that or would they be shut down and all documents ordered sealed? If the latter were to happen, the conspiracy theories would explode and the whole mess would likely also blow up in their faces. Whoever started this has probably already pondered legal action against them and their options for going forward, or not, with such a thing.

            "You! Cake or death?" "Uh, cake for me, too, please." "Very well! Give him cake, too! We're gonna run out of cake at this rate. You! Cake or death?" "Uh, death, please. No, cake! Cake! Cake, sorry. Sorry..." "You said death first, uh-uh, death first!" "Well, I meant cake!" "Oh, all right. You're lucky I'm Church of England!" Eddie Izzard, Dress To Kill
            • Aerows (3105 posts)
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              89. This "effort" was so amateurish that I doubt

              that it is carrying any weight.  It’s petty bullshit, as is evidenced that at this point all people are doing is laughing at them.

              File a lawsuit?  Sure, but the court of public opinion has already found them and their faint efforts vastly underwhelming.

              I’d almost look and point while laughing, but I don’t feed trolls that are that damned bad.

              All that money, and still that ham-handedly stupid.  It’s rather sad, but explains the reason why *ahem* certain people aren’t in the White House, and certain people are lashing out.  Oh, I’m sure they will meander by, hat in hand at some point, but for now?

              We told you so.

              That has to be a horrendous case of ass-chapping.

              Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
              • Gryneos (1425 posts)
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                92. Oh, I agree with that assessment.

                The only thing that’s made me sit up in puzzlement is the fact that there’s no WHOIS entry.

                After researching that, it appears that ICANN needs to be renamed to ICANT, per the following:

                Domain Name Registrar Allows Completely Blank WHOIS
                Oct 06, 2013 8:11 PM PST | By Garth Bruen

                In a very casual and low-key footnote over the weekend, ICANN announced it would be further bypassing the Affirmation of Commitments and ignoring the WHOIS Review Team Report. There will be no enhanced validation or verification of WHOIS because unidentified people citing unknown statistics have said it would be too expensive.

                <snip>

                We all know that WHOIS inaccuracy has been a bone of contention for over a decade now which lead to the AoC section stating:

                existing policy requires that ICANN implement measures to maintain timely, unrestricted and public access to accurate and complete WHOIS information.

                But, now ICANN just decided not to do it.

                One of the major outcomes of the AoC was the creation of the WHOIS Review Team to find a path for ICANN to tackle WHOIS. This cross-constituency working group issued a 92 page report which recommended WHOIS become a strategic priority for ICANN (but that would be too expensive). The review team said ICANN should reduce the number of inaccurate WHOIS records by 50% every year (too expensive). But, let me take a step back. ICANN doesn’t actually say validation would be too expensive, they merely state that “questions were raised related to the costs.” So questions raised by persons unknown is enough to thwart years of effort by the Internet community. Does anyone get to ask questions about the costs associated with bad WHOIS? Are the six phantom compliance employees ready to deal with this?

                So, what does this get us? It gets records like the one for the illicit pharmacy site nobledrugstore[DOT]com which is completely BLANK.

                "You! Cake or death?" "Uh, cake for me, too, please." "Very well! Give him cake, too! We're gonna run out of cake at this rate. You! Cake or death?" "Uh, death, please. No, cake! Cake! Cake, sorry. Sorry..." "You said death first, uh-uh, death first!" "Well, I meant cake!" "Oh, all right. You're lucky I'm Church of England!" Eddie Izzard, Dress To Kill
      • mick063 (2210 posts)
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        37. A simply outstanding post.

        One of the best opening salvos I have read in a long, long time.

        Your voice is needed here. It is your type of thought process and eloquent writing style that will make JPR a stalwart in liberal thinking.

        Please contribute your views more often and especially in OPs. I sense frequent domain within the daily radical for you.

        "I welcome their hatred"    Franklin D. Roosevelt
        • DirkGently (15 posts)
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          50. Thanks, mick063.

          Looks like a great group here — I’m seeing posters I know and have missed, and new ones I’m looking forward to getting to know better.

          The air is fresh in here.

      • Pacco Fransisco (3606 posts)
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        62. I'll bet someone is going to sue PropOrNot.

        I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
      • senz (5252 posts)
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        77. We can see 'who' they are for and against, but not 'what'

        Clearly they’re against Russia — but they don’t say why.  Joy Reid tries to make the case that Russia is still communist, which it isn’t, afaik. Is ex-KGB Putin still suspected of communism?  Or are Reid, et.al., merely trying to ride the coattails of a long dead McCarthyism, a “red scare” without the “red,” in order to get the American people emotionally invested in opposing Russia just for the sake of opposing Russia?

        Could the real issue be a regional territorial struggle between Russia and its nearby NATO neighbors?  We’ve seen the saber rattling over the past year or so. Is this in fact a non-ideological matter of simple dominance?  Just U.S. vs. Russia, purely in pursuit of geographic power? Which leaves out China, a far greater global contender, imo. So would containing Russia be a first step toward larger global dominance?  Clinton, if she had won, was expected to begin open hostilities with Russia, possibly pushing us into war.  Trump is against it.

        If  global and or regional dominance is the goal, could it be related to Obama’s very open, and Clinton’s covert, pursuit of the TPP, which would create a kind of regional economic dominance among Pacific Rim nations, in which China would be the adversary?  Trump is opposed to it.  Isn’t it interesting, almost counter-intuitive, that congressional Republicans who once favored TPP now oppose it — is their opposition simply in support of Trump?

        In addition, the ProporNot people seem to want to keep Americans focused on identity politics to the exclusion of economic politics.  This, imo, proves that one of their primary goals, if not the primary goal, is economic — they oppose economic justice for the American people, and probably all non-1% people. I presume this (economic justice) is what you mean by “left-of-Wall-Street policies.”  Is their apparent greed somehow related to the regional power struggles?  Because I don’t think of Russia or China as bastions of economic fairness. The democratic socialist countries are the bastions of economic fairness, and they’re not anyone’s target, that I can see.

        It’s also clear that just as ProporNot is anti-Trump,  they’re also pro-Clinton.  So I think we could conclude that ProporNot is working for the oligarchy and, as I consider obvious, Clinton fits in with the oligarchy’s plans and Trump does not.  We need to keep that in mind.  Another thing:  oligarchy is by definition not democracy.  If Trump is not part of the oligarchy, then is he democratic?  Or is he some sort of non-specific authoritarian?  Do we have evidence of his authoritarianism?  I think we have good evidence of oligarchic authoritarianism but am not yet sure about Trump. It’s possible that even he is not clear on it.

        So how does ProporNot’s anti-Russia bias figure in with their anti-economic justice bias? Or are the two issues unrelated? I guess one could say that the Russia issue is neocon and the economic issue is both neocon in its regional aspects and neoliberal in its purely economic effects.  It’s very hard for me to imagine world leaders who do not have a clear, coherent vision, along with strategic goals for reaching it, in mind. I’m finding it difficult to pinpoint the basic, underlying reason for ProporNot’s effort to control the information flow over the Internet. Clearly they want to, but to what specific ideological ends?  I think we need to know that.

        • DirkGently (15 posts)
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          93. Best guess: Necon / PNAC / MIC

          Someone (in one of the linked pieces I think) attributed the high-level push against Grayson to his opposition to strikes on Assad during that chemical weapons situation, where Obama seemed to want to bomb, but Kerry pulled out a last-minute compromise working with Russia.

          I think that annoyed a certain segment very deeply. Syria was high on the Neocon / PNAC wishlist for establishing American dominance in the Middle East by toppling each regime. Sort of a reverse communist-domino effect they pined for.

          I don’t recall where Hillary Clinton was on the strikes, but she was for the Iraq invasion, and has proposed a no-fly-zone in Syria, which seems like a quick route to a confrontation with Russia. Neocons are comfortable with her, and I guess with Trump, although what he will do seems like an open question.

          So, not to get too far out in the weeds, but generally anyone suggesting resources be allocated for domestic  programs, or opposed to endless interventions in the ME and escalating conflict with Russia would be the “enemy” for a certain mindset.

          And it’s not a good or wise mindset. The Neocon / PNAC dream of  projecting American business interests worldwide through militarism  is not only deader than disco, it’s an increasingly dangerous proposition. Russia is far from dead and China is ascendant. If we don’t focus on our own economic house soon, the end of American primacy could be very ugly.

    • mrdmk (324 posts)
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      7. The upcoming years are going to be alarming if these types of ideas are

      promoted in the upcoming years. Watch out!

    • mick063 (2210 posts)
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      9. The Washington Post is Fake News. Their reporting on Bernie told me so.

      They were fully in with the Clinton regime and are feeling a little impotent because they couldn’t get Her over the finish line. The Post’s audience is still the bureaucratic beltway, hence they are a primary mouthpiece within the beltway echo chamber. Since Clinton’s loss was a serious blow to the beltway power structure, drastic moves are “required” to restore their confidence. Astonishingly, all of the establishment candidates lost, and that has proven to be more influential to them than an 8% approval rating for Capital Hill. The power brokers were feeling rather Teflon before “Drain the swamp”  became a thing. No doubt, that Trump is incapable of doing it, but he is taking advantage of repeating a grass roots call that cuts across party lines. This type of messaging is what happen when a candidate outside of the power structure wins and the Post is at the forefront of insuring that this doesn’t happen again.

      The Post’s only way to fight back is to attack the independent voices that have turned their world upside down.

      "I welcome their hatred"    Franklin D. Roosevelt
      • sabrina (5959 posts)
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        15. The WaPo, NYT, CNN, MSNBC et al are all Fake News

        Great article, exposure is the best medicine for these Nazi-like tactics by those who clearly do not like this country and want to transform into a dictatorship run by those with a whole lot to hide.

      • travelamerica (678 posts)
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        24. The SOB Washington Beltway class has ruined this country

        They have severely corrupted the Federal Government, took the Federal Government’s eye away from serving the people, and are responsible for so much suffering in America and in foreign countries that America bullies.  They all deserve to be out of a career and on the streets begging for money.

        The Washington Post can go to fuckin hell.

    • jwirr (3372 posts)
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      10. Freedom of speech and the press were some of the first rights put into our

      Constitution. The internet is merely a form of publishing system (the press). It is very telling when a newspaper goes after freedom of speech. We cannot let them take this freedom either.

      Last night I was thinking about some of the issues we are facing. And wondered why the 1% are not at least interested in fighting alongside us on some of them. Freedom of speech? Climate change – they can’t all be oil men? The safety net – they can’t all be blind to what is happening when it comes to globalization and corporatism? We once had a really great America that helped all of us – what makes them think it will be so good if they allow greed to dominate the entire system of government?

      Where are the 1% who helped to build this country and want it to continue working for all the people? When are they going to stand up?

    • Fawke Em (3583 posts)
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      16. Of course they want to end independent media: it helped stop Clinton.

      Given the rise of Bernie and the Trump EC win, you know the autocrats are shaking in their boots. No one believes them or their parrots in the mainstream media anymore.

          
      • travelamerica (678 posts)
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        27. Its only natural that they would want to get rid of the competition

        The News Media just realized that they have lost their power in controlling the American people.

        Now they want America to have de-facto censorship, because only they are allowed to report “the news”!

        Many Americans love the constitution until it goes against their interests.

    • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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      18. On The Daily Radical!

      Thank you! We don’t normally put things on The Daily Radical that weren’t written here first. But this is worth the exception. Especially since our own nashvillebrook wrote it. :)

      Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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        22. the backstory is the initial work started here

        and i wanted to take the story out to a wider audience who weren’t affected by the blacklist initially. i think we were all taken aback by inclusion on that list, and other people who didn’t have that experience need to be alerted to the problem and work in solidarity with us.

        • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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          23. I just listened to your podcast

          And sent it to @mannygoldstein It was @landofenchantment who brought my attention to it.

          It is amazing that we’re included. It makes me wonder if we know some of the people behind propornot.

          Whatever happens because of it, we’ll fight this tooth and nail. It’s beyond unbelievable and is, imho, libelous, minimally.

          Here’s your podcast for anyone who missed it.

          http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newmercurymedia/2016/11/28/pnn–ground-truth

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • mick063 (2210 posts)
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            26. Thanks for the link Mary625

            As always, you keep your eye on the ball.

            "I welcome their hatred"    Franklin D. Roosevelt
            • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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              29. Trying to.

              So many balls lately. And balls are not my favorite things to begin with. :lol:

              Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
              • ThomPaine (3523 posts)
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                68. I hear you there.

                aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
                • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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                  70. Heehee

                  :fistbump:

                  Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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            43. i believe in the explanatory power of "least common denominator"

            that JPR is on the list really narrows the possibilities of who could be among those behind PoN.

            • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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              51. Yep

              No doubt in my mind

              Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • Fawke Em (3583 posts)
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            56. It's obvious the list was made up by Clinton supporters.

            The only publications on the list are those that criticized Hillary, either from the left or the right. It’s obvious in that two Brock owned pro-Clinton propaganda outlets, which are clearly fake news, aren’t on the list.

                
            • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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              59. Yep.

              And only one of them knows us

              Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
              • Sadie (3068 posts)
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                66. Yes, you are right.

                I have been thinking the same.  I will gladly belong to a site such as JPR that is not paid to support ANY candidate whatsovever.

                Most of us loved Bernie, but no one paid us to support him or do his bidding.

                  Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
                • Marym625 (21502 posts)
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                  69. hell no we Bernie supporters weren't paid

                  We printed our own flyers, wrote them, canvassed on our time, organized and worked our asses off, paid for the material for the buttons we made, etc.

                  And JPR will never accept money from a candidate or a party

                  Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Land of Enchantment (6689 posts)
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      30. This is an excellent OP, many thanks for all your time and effort!

           "Hope is the feathered thing that perches in your heart." ~ Emily Dickinson  
      • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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        47. this is one story that merits the extra attention.

    • Rider (1976 posts)
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      32. Standing O!! Bravo!

      If not now, when?
    • LiberalArkie (3899 posts)
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      33. What will happen is things will go slow like it did back before the

      fall of the Soviet Union. Think of the dial up bulletin board systems. They were the way of distributing non main stream media.

      Fidonet and such. It had a hard time because long distance cost so much money. But my long distance is now free. No movies, now pictures just text. Just the words. Just the truth.

      Also I keep a list of the IP addresses of the sites I go to. So when an accident happens and my site goes down because of a hack of a DNS, I can just put it in my Host file and everything is a-ok

      • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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        41. i was thinking it might be a good idea to create a digital underground

        to bypass any blockade measures if they come into being.

        • LiberalArkie (3899 posts)
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          44. I have a hosts file (used by every computer) that has JPR and some others

          IP addresses in it so that if a DNS server gets hosed, my computer can still get to where I want (as long as it is a site that I have punched in)

           

          # Host Database
          #
          # localhost is used to configure the loopback interface
          # when the system is booting. Do not change this entry.
          ##
          127.0.0.1 localhost
          255.255.255.255 broadcasthost
          ::1 localhost
          104.28.1.65 http://www.jackpineradicals.com
          199.16.156.198 http://www.twitter.com
          195.35.109.53 http://www.wikileaks.org

           

          Of course the ip addresses will be different for different parts of the country.

          Edit to add: we probably would not have anything to worry about if Obama had not enabled the internet kill switch

    • bobthedrummer (2385 posts)
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      35. Thank you, my friend! The War on Journalists is heating up here now. Be safe.

      I remember people like Michael Hastings, as I’m sure you do.

      Michael Hastings last  article was “Why Democrats Love To Spy On Americans”. (BuzzFeed June 2013)

      Below is a link to the reality of that  targeted journalist that is still informative.

      3 Years Ago Today, Rolling Stone Editor “Conveniently” Died In Fiery Crash While Investigating CIA (Andrew Emett June 18, 2016 The Free Thought Project)

      http://thefreethoughtproject.com/questions-remain-years-mysterious-death-michael-hastings

      All power to the People.
      • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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        42. damn, i forgot that was Hasting's last piece.

        notice how it was considered nonsense that someone could control his car…and just a year or so later we’re all enthralled by self-driving Google-autos. damn we’re silly critters.

    • Ferd Berfel (4145 posts)
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      38. Can't have a true Ministry of Propaganda unless

      you control ALL of the outlets.

      “I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag.”   ― Molly Ivins

      …and you think you’re going to stop this simply by ‘pulling a lever’, in a booth, behind a curtain, every 2 years? - Know yourself. And if you need help with that, call the FBI. -  There is only ONE solution to this mess:  New Party !  
      • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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        74. ain't that the truth.

    • Dont call me Shirley (3107 posts)
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      39. Digital McCarthyism. Bezos is a McCarthyist fascist.

      • goodgirl (2185 posts)
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        45. Yes he is.

        And his Amazon workers are treated like slaves.

        Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
      • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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        46. it's funny, you don't see signs of fascism the way you'd THINK they'd appear

        there’s no crass symbology. instead there’s the ever-present Amazon Prime package. soon to be delivered by drone. it’s the invisible algorithems that shape our cognitive landscape.

         

        • Dont call me Shirley (3107 posts)
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          52. Have not ordered one holiday item from amazon….

          and will not.

    • FugitiveBirdie (1563 posts)
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      40. All enemies, foreign and domestic…

      The Washington Post is now on my list.

      • Earth artist (659 posts)
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        54. Word

      • Enthusiast (8252 posts)
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        94. No doubt. They have destroyed their credibility.

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
    • oldandhappy (3215 posts)
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      57. have been expecting this

      Herself was clearly unhappy that we were talking to each other.  What can we do to protect alternate media?  I have been off MSM for almost a year.  Use only internet sources.

    • Pacco Fransisco (3606 posts)
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      58. Free speech issue. The Supreme Court will be involved with this eventually.

      I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
    • 2bAnon (4154 posts)
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      79. Outstanding OP nashvillebrook!

      Hat Tip on wonderfully well written  piece!

      You are no doubt aware of Carl Bernstein’s 1977 Rolling Stone’s piece on the CIA and the Media. I just posted excerpts with link in GD for those who may have not read that piece, but I find it an excellent refresher to brush up some of the details which memory fades with time.

      link: https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/the-cia-and-the-media-carl-bernsteins-1977-rs-article-roots-of-propornot/

      Thanks again for this outstanding contribution!

       

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      • nashvillebrook (487 posts)
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        85. yes! people generally don't believe that CIA was allowed

        to propagandize US citizens. they did and what little legal protection we had is gone since 2013. US intel can propagandize us with impunity now…as if they were somehow parsimonious in their infowar beforehand.

    • frylock (1219 posts)
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      82. This has Brock's shit-stained little fingerprints all over it.

      They’re still trying to Correct the Record, despite being incorrect about everything.

    • hifiguy (1525 posts)
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      83. Not to love Der Fuhrer is a great disgrace….

      This country is fucking doomed.  And the Corporate Media are paving the road to hell as fast as they can while serving their billionaire masters.

       

      Keep calm and brony on!
      • dorkzilla (2402 posts)
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        96. Honest to god hifiguy

        My MS diagnosis was pretty devastating but I am now seeing the upside of being old-ish (51) and sick…I won’t live long enough to see the complete destruction of the US and in any case I’ll jump ship as soon as I am financially able (i.e. running away to Ireland).

        But you are 100% correct….there ain’t no coming back from this. We’re totally fucked.