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    Watch: Pre-incan pyramid discovered in Peru

     Watch: Pre-incan pyramid discovered in Peru

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    03/01/2017

     

    A newly uncovered pyramid structure in central Peru could upend the way researchers have thought of the area regarding its importance in Incan hierarchy.

    After a year of investigation, researchers say they believe the structure is what is known as an “ushnu.”

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    • Judi Lynn (4425 posts)
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      1. A video of Ollantaytambo, also in Peru, unknown by most people in the U.S.:

       

      • zeemike (917 posts)
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        2. I have watched a lot of those Brian Forister videos.

        And he has some interesting observations. And covers places that few know about.

        You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?”
        • Judi Lynn (4425 posts)
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          4. It has seemed as if the US culture has refused to acknowledge

          there has been anything of value in the Americas which was here before it was invaded, the people enslaved and massacred, with many committing suicide, the survivors shunned, mistreated, and their homeland stolen.

          Perhaps it’s to continue the idea that the invading hordes were simply superior to darker skinned people, so their sins weren’t really sins, but everything south of the US border has always been devalued or ignored by North Americans.

          Very ugly situation.

          Now that it’s possible to find out so easily for ourselves, through this “network of tubes,”  it’s irresistible to keep searching for what we weren’t taught in school due to profound racism and delusions of superiority of the white race.

          Cultures in the Americas prior to the invasion of the greedy murderers were simply amazing.

          Apparently their fatal flaw was not to develope hideous weapons so they could murderize the invaders right back when they invited themselves here.

          YouTube is an invaluable resource for these amazing videos.

          Thank you for your comment.

           

          • Haikugal (4797 posts)
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            7. I totally agree with everything you've said. Thanks for this post I love this

            kind of thing!

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          • zeemike (917 posts)
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            8. Invaluable resource is right.

            It has done more to educate people than anything that has come before…but only if you want to be educated.

            But I think it is more than just feeling superior to native cultures. It has a science component too because the historians want to believe history is linear and we represent the most advanced and it was less advanced the further you go back in time. And the evidence shows something else.

            But science is stuck with the notion that all things happened in a slow steady state and tend to reject any evidence to the contrary. But it is clear from the megalithic structures all over the world that this is not the case…The problem is ego in any case.

            You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?”
          • nevereVereven (1834 posts)
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            11. Yes- i think it's done to justify invasion and conquest.

            We’ve long been spoonfed the propaganda that the European conquest was somehow a good thing; that it brought the blessings of civilization to a bunch of “ignorant savages”.

            The fact that their cultures were every bit as sophisticated as any other…well that fact just doesn’t fit the narrative, so it continues to be ignored.

            A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
            • Enthusiast (6570 posts)
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              20. Plus One!

              "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
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        3. I love this stuff. His theory makes sense.

        • Judi Lynn (4425 posts)
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          5. Fascinating! I feel lucky he has made his work available.

      • Ichingcarpenter (3578 posts)
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        10. What blows me away The 80 ton stones came from a quarry

        from a mountain top on the other side of the river in the valley which means they not only had to cut the megaliths up there but transport it down that mountain then over the raging river.  No Inca bridges  can hold that amount of weight.  Then carry it up to the top of the other mountain and set it in place.  Some of these giant megaliths on top are just laying around  in odd places and the Incas just built around them. It as if the whole structure got blown away

        His use of  video Drones around these ancient sites are a must see which really puts it into a perspective of the size and complexity of these sites.

        I wonder if the new pyramid  structure found has any megalithic aspects to it? I would doubt it  seeing its location for available natural building materials but its gonna be interesting.

        Thanks Judy………..

         

      • Haikugal (4797 posts)
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        13. I'm confused..

        what I know of the Inca building uses dressed and fitted stone so why does this guy say “typical Inca construction with rough stone and clay mortar?” What interesting thing happened when he hummed into the niche? I didn’t hear anything. Does it resonate?

        Thanks for any answers. :hi:

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        • Ichingcarpenter (3578 posts)
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          14. If you go to one of these sites

          You will see sometimes 3 different building techniques. Notice the finer stonework which is the oldest is at the bottom.

           

          machu picchu has it if you look carefully .

           

          and numerous other places

           

          Even many Inca natives said they didn’t start some of these places but they were sacred sites which they built upon later.

          Don’t forget the Inca empire only lasted maybe 140 years.

           

           

           

           

          • Haikugal (4797 posts)
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            15. Thanks!

            So it’s thought that the fine stonework at the bottom was not Inca work but an earlier group?

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            • Ichingcarpenter (3578 posts)
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              16. why change horses in the middle of the stream?

              Its common logic……….. what do you think? …….. oh lets just change styles  because?  Not being snarky but there are mega  questions not answered. Eighty tons is 160,000 pounds … that were fit into place perfectly.

              The Incas were fine builders but there was a megalithic builder  society which came way before them who were masterful. Don’t forget they didn’t have the wheel in their society. None have been found.

              • Haikugal (4797 posts)
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                17. Snark aside I've been studying the Inca, Maya etc almost all my life. It's a

                favorite topic of mine. My questions were genuine. Most of the written material that would have informed us was burned by the church and we are left to myths and experimental archeology to try to understand what we’re seeing.

                It’s pretty obvious that there could have been older civilizations than we know about at present and they’re ‘tech’ could have been very different. SciFi books I’ve read talk about organic tech instead of machines and we are just now starting to investigate that possibility. We are just starting in my view.

                I don’t adhere automatically to things I hear or read about so I ask questions. I had not realized that archeologists considered the fine stonework to be that of a more ancient society which the Incas built on. I’m aware that the Incas didn’t last very long because of the invasion but have always found their organization, road system etc. remarkable.

                Thanks for your response, it’s appreciated.

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                • Ichingcarpenter (3578 posts)
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                  18. archaeologists say the Romans built and moved the masive Baalbek foundation

                  Even though there is no proof or recordings of Romans moving 1200 ton blocks.

                  Archaeologists are not builders, engineers nor architects.  Third Giant Megalith, Weighing 1,650 Tons, Confirmed At Baalbek

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  • Haikugal (4797 posts)
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                    19. Amazing…

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                  • Enthusiast (6570 posts)
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                    21. Interesting stuff.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek

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        22. Thank You For Sharing

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      6. Utterly amazing! I had no idea that these structures existed.

      And they make me think, once again, of the theories of scorned researchers that very ancient people, with obviously sophisticated and learned civilizations, had acquired powers of levitation.  The use of sound for levitating objects is one part of these theories.  It really does boggle our powers of reason and scientific thinking to explain to ourselves how these megaliths got carried around and constructed.  Some of these structures are so fantastical, and located in such improbable places, that, even if you had an army of a million slaves, I don’t see how it could be done.  Yes, human beings can be very clever, but still, it really causes your mind to entertain fantastical explanations.

      Then there are the questions of WHY people went to such fantastic trouble to erect what seem to be impossible structures in impossible places.  I was struck by the location of this village and the ancient terraces and mountains surrounding it.  The mountains provide quite a beautiful little oasis of protection from winds and storms, down in the valley part.  That could have been one of the practical reasons for locating there.  It looks quite like Shangri La as described in the novel “Lost Horizon” by James Hilton and portrayed in the early movie version of “Lost Horizon” (with Ronald Colman): a gorgeous, heavenly, idyllic valley – a natural healing place – surrounded on all sides by high, protective mountains.  (Hilton places his Shangri La in the Himalayas.)

      Thank you for posting this, Judi!  Fascinating!

       

      • Judi Lynn (4425 posts)
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        9. So glad you've mentioned Shangri La. Very apt, for sure.

        A video or tv program once examined the fact the ancient people even constructed running water up there, which was astounding to hear.

        Every bit more discovered about them makes one even more convinced of how very, very little we really have known about anything of those incredible lofty cities.

        They were far advanced beyond anything else going in in the world at that time. Wildly advanced. Makes one wonder what the Spanish invaders learned about these engineered near-miracles which they never passed on, concerning the people they nearly wiped off the face of the earth through their malice and greed.

      • nevereVereven (1834 posts)
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        12. It's the question of "WHY" that intrigues me…

        If they wanted 80 tons of stone to build with, obviously they could have carved it into small, easily transported blocks…

        But instead, they moved 80 tons as a single piece (by methods unknown).

        WHY would they do that?

        Was the large size so significant to them that they were willing to go to extra effort to use the massive blocks? Or did their unknown transport methods actually make the use of the huge stones more efficient than cutting them up?

        We may never know, but I enjoy pondering the possibilities.

        A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.