Well I have a request for all of you. Would you please post here about your reactions to the shot and which shot you had?
February 2, 2021 at 1:26 AM - Views: 281 #400143leftcoast mountainsParticipant
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My brother (74) and his wife (71) had their shots 4 days ago. It was Moderna. They were fine. He just emailed me and this is what he said;
At 8:30 am today, 4 days from shot. Started having violent chills, shaking, aches and pain in joints , nausea, almost vomited, diarrhea, 100 degree temperature, almost passed out, It subsided at 12:30 pm. just weak now.
I wonder how 2nd shot will be? Really sucks.
I haven’t had mine yet just wondering.
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February 2, 2021 at 1:58 AM #400167ThouArtThatParticipant
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Sorry to hear of their troubles. No health care insurance here; so no shot. Charity cases are apparently the last on the list.
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February 2, 2021 at 2:01 AM #400169
Fine immediately after (save for itching, which freaked out everyone but me – I break out in hives if you look at me sideways. They gave me an antihistamine tablet and had me sit for an hour to be sure I wasn’t going to keel over gasping for air. I was okay with that response, even though it was boring.)
About four hours after the shot I started with muscle aches and a headache (not too horrible). Then struck (like a blow) with an immense fatigue. So, I went to bed.
Still a tiny bit achy and tired the following day – fine after that.
My arm hurt less than my flu shot last year.
February 2, 2021 at 3:32 AM #400192
February 2, 2021 at 2:31 AM #400185NV WinoModerator
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The elderly woman I look after got hers. Moderna. She experienced extreme weakness and sore arm. She has several other health issues, and when checking with the doctor about her reaction, he recommended not getting the second shot. Her caregiver had the Pfizer and just experienced a sore arm.
February 2, 2021 at 2:31 AM #400186whispersParticipant
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and some of his friends had the shot, Moderna, on Friday. My son had a slight headache and pain in his arm the next day.
Today his friend was visiting and the friend started vomiting. I hope there will be no further adverse effects as they each have some degree of developmental disability, and my son has extreme anxiety issues.
February 2, 2021 at 2:35 AM #400187
I can’t see subjecting my elderly mom with dementia to that. Do they know why the side effects are so severe in some people? I’ve never had any trouble with the flu shot but this stuff sounds scary. I can’t afford to get sick from a shot either since I’m a care giver.
February 2, 2021 at 3:43 AM #400195chknltlParticipant
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Call me stubborn, call me foolish, call me long-distance but…
…I’ve no plans on getting the so called vaccines.
BTW, I am getting some bloodwork done tomorrow at the VA hospital.
I’ve heard from the best place one can hear such things, (at a bar), that certain blood types are more susceptible to the Covid than are others.
I will have to inquire about this tidbit of unsolicited info.
I will also need to inquire as to what my blood type is.
All these years I thought my blood type was B Negative.
It probably isn’t…
…but it should be.
February 2, 2021 at 11:52 AM #400243djean111Participant
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Types A, B, and AB more likely to get it. and negative RH seems better. I am O negative, so cheery news for me!
Patients with type O and rhesus negative (Rh-) blood groups may have a lower risk of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection and severe coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) illness, according to a study published in the Annals of Internal Medicine.
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The O- blood group had a 2.1% chance of getting SARS-CoV-2 infection (95% CI, 1.8-2.3%), the lowest unadjusted probability of all blood groups. The aRR for SARS-CoV-2 infection in the O blood group was 0.88 (95% CI, 0.84-0.92) vs all other blood groups, and the ARD was -3.9 per 1,000 (95% CI, -5.4 to -2.5). Comparatively, the highest unadjusted probability of SARS-CoV-2 infection was in the B+ blood group (4.2%; 95% CI, 4.0-4.5%). Results also indicated the aRR for SARS-CoV-2 infection was higher in patients with AB blood type compared with type A.
Rh- status seemed protective against SARS-CoV-2 infection with an aRR of 0.79 (95% CI, 0.73-0.85) and an ARD of -6.8 per 1,000 (95% CI, -8.9 to -4.7). The O- blood group also seemed protective, with an aRR of 0.74 (95% CI, 0.66-0.83) and an ARD of -8.2 per 1,000 (95% CI, -10.8 to -5.3). The relative protective effects of O, Rh-, and O- blood groups were greatest in patients younger than age 70.
Secondary outcome results indicated that type O blood group had an aRR of 0.87 (95% CI, 0.78-0.97) for severe COVID-19 illness and death versus all other blood groups and Rh- status had an aRR of 0.82 (95% CI, 0.68–0.96) compared to Rh+ status. The O- blood group did not appear protective against severe COVID-19 illness and death (aRR, 0.84; 95% CI, 0.64-1.07) compared with other blood groups.
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February 2, 2021 at 4:06 PM #400294chknltlParticipant
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I truly did get that bit of unsolicited information about some blood types being more or less succeptable to the pandemic at a bar.
Everyone at that bar had an opinion.
Everyone’s opinion differed.
While my own opinion leads me away from getting vaccinated,
…my reference to my own blood type of “B-Negative” was a bit of creative snark.
That said, I don’t actually know what my blood type is…I should but I don’t.
I will be asking the good folks (the vampire squad) at the VA Hospital what my actual blood type is this morning and if it has any bearing on my decision making.
Odds are, my knowing what my blood type is will not have any bearing on my getting vaccinated.
February 2, 2021 at 4:18 AM #400196
Does anyone know anyone who got one in their 80s?
February 2, 2021 at 7:06 AM #400210NV WinoModerator
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My friend will be 83 this month. I think her underlying health issues were more to blame for her adverse reaction rather than her age per se.
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February 2, 2021 at 12:01 PM #400244no-name-requiredParticipant
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She reported no adverse reactions. Other than high blood pressure, she’s an eight-year cancer survivor. She’s due for her second shot next week.
I’m probably not going to get a shot, as I don’t trust them and it doesn’t seem they prevent infection but only lessen severity if infected. Meh. I was a guinea pig for the Air Force for the swine flu shots (got two different ones a week apart). Four years of shots, four years of getting the flu. Since then? No shots, no flu.
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February 2, 2021 at 4:50 PM #400304leftcoast mountainsParticipant
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Plus I’m not keen on what may happen. No telling. I’m sending this page to him because I know he is curious and really freaked out.
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February 2, 2021 at 9:54 PM #400358
February 2, 2021 at 5:46 PM #400314
of you that the Moderna and Pfizer ‘vaccines’ have been issued via a waiver called an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). They are NOT FDA APPROVED, and there is not any long term data (not even 6 months!) on adverse reactions. Andd I am not talking about the transient sore arm. Moreover, while the messenger RNA (mRNA) technology has been studied for ~2 decades and the science behind it is truly a wonder, IT HAS NEVER BEEN USED IN HUMANS before now! This is not a vaccine in the traditional sense, but rather an experimental biologic agent; and thus far, the only claim the pharmaceutical companies make is that it prevents severe illness. They have not, and cannot, claim that it prevents getting the virus in the community or prevents transmission. Moreover, they cannot give details regarding the length of any alleged protection. We know that in those who got the virus and developed an appropriate antibody response, the antibodies tended to fade at ~6-8 months. What does Pharma say about its product? How long is it effective? They can’t say anything because there simply hasn’t been enough time and they don’t know. And bear in mind, the companies have been granted blanket protection against liability!
I understand the desire the to see a light at the end of this awful pandemic tunnel, but I also see the ‘vaccines’ being touted by the media as a panacea when they are not. There are so many unknowns.
The normal process for FDA approval of drugs, vaccines, medical devices, etc. consists of animal or in vitro testing followed by 3 phases of clinical trials in human subjects with emphasis on safety and efficacy. That process takes a minimum of 6 years; and even after such approval is granted, effects emerge in the larger population that weren’t uncovered in the trials, effects that have resulted in removal from the market: Rezulin, Vioxx, even the Sabin (oral) polio vaccine which was discontinued in 2000… So, the millions of people currently getting the vaccine are really Phase 3 clinical trial subjects.
Then too, as we are presently seeing, the virus is doing what viruses do: mutating. The influenza vaccine was first developed in 1933, refined in 1942 and then further refined in 1978. As that virus evolves, the vaccine (and it is a traditional vaccine based on inactivated virus or viral subunits/proteins), the vaccine changes each year and yet it still may only be ~50% effective in PREVENTING flu infection. So even with this injection of mRNA embedded in lipid nanoparticles, we will all still have to mask, be vigilant about hand washing, and maintain some degree of social distancing.
Here is a link to an article I have been following precisely for the comments from those in healthcare: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/943897
In addition to those comments providing links to additional, scientific articles, you will note that there is not the consensus about getting the shot(s) that the media would suggest. Some of us in science are skeptical, not because we are anti-vaxxers, but because there are genuine concerns that have not been addressed and cannot yet be answered. Yes, there is always some risk, medicine is an art and a science. What works for one person, may not work for another, hence the different antihypertensive and diabetic and other medicines. But in this case, quite simply, haste makes waste.
Wash your hands, wear your mask, limit group activities, check your vit D level, eat your oranges (vit C), stay hydrated and keep your air moisturized (harder for viruses to attach to mucous membranes. You can also read about more scientific details about these vaccines in the New England Journal of Medicine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2027906
February 2, 2021 at 10:12 PM #400364
Yes, it worries me. I don’t like the contracts given out even to non-medical companies, don’t like the change in usual protocols, even if it does take longer.
And I agree with you on this point particularly, which is a component of protocols:
“the millions of people currently getting the vaccine are really Phase 3 clinical trial subjects.”
Phase 3 subjects used to get some compensation and protection, also. They certainly didn’t have to pay to test the drug.
February 2, 2021 at 10:52 PM #400382
you are suggesting that those here who have gotten the vaccine are not seriously considering the ramifications of their choice. I hope not, anyway.
I took the vaccine because I work in a closed (i.e., poorly ventilated) space with others, and I did so fully understanding the process of the vaccine development. I have, in fact, posted my concerns about the speed at which these vaccines were put into action. I still made the decision to get it.
That said, this isn’t the first time that vaccines have had accelerated research-to-distribution processes (polio comes to mind). The standard multi-year trial process is of course the more rational and conservative approach, although there are plenty of drugs that hit the market that shouldn’t, even after all that, so it seems to be hit-or-miss regardless. In this case, there is a need to get a spiraling problem under control, even with the risks.
I doubt that anyone here believes the vaccines are a panacea – a cure – for this virus. I certainly don’t and remind everyone I know, regularly and at length, that it isn’t a cure. The greatest danger isn’t the vaccine (imo) but the many who will consider it a cure and fail to continue safe practices. Those folks, combined with the anti-vaxxers and Covid-denialists, are what will make or break this program, since they can’t be bothered with either safe practice or self-imposed isolation. There will probably never be a cure; this virus will continue to pop up and, like influenza, will require close attention to strain to control it.
I’m an historian; in the course of research and teaching, I have studied many historical plagues. Given the choice between trying to mitigate these diseases and allowing them to run their course, I’m a fan of mitigation. Vaccines mitigate. Sometimes, they mitigate to the extent that the disease is fundamentally eradicated, most of the time, they simply keep a horrific disease – yellow fever, typhus, smallpox, cholera, diphtheria, influenza – at bay.
And if we who took the vaccine all turn into crocodiles – as Bolsonaro fears – then we’ll just become politicians, fitting nicely into the fetid swamp in DC. I’ll let you know if I start growing scales after my second dose.
February 3, 2021 at 12:14 AM #400410
@bernieboomer that those here who have gotten the vaccine are not seriously considering the ramifications of their choice. I hope not, anyway.”
I am not suggesting anything of the sort, but you appear to take umbrage where no offense or inference was meant. I simply posed the question and explained my position.
However, I do feel that the media portrays this particular vaccination as a panacea and that was my point. Most people, unlike JPRers, get their information from the mainstream media whose only concern has been about distribution, not about EUA vs FDA approval, not about the contracted timeline, not the details of what the vaccine can do, not that this technology is new in humans, etc.
Each person’s circumstances are different, and everyone can, and should, make an informed decision that best suits his/her particular circumstances. Your choice is yours to make and that’s as it should be. But no need for snarkiness or resume touting.
Stay safe and well,
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February 3, 2021 at 3:01 AM #400458
Concern that you were – possibly – painting with a broad brush, yes.
We agree on the fundamentals. I am sorry that you found my response snarky, as it was not intended to be. For that you have my sincere apology.
I will not apologize for identifying myself as an historian, as it was used to provide some background as to why I have studied historical disease outbreaks – it certainly was not ‘resume touting,’ though of course I cannot force you to believe otherwise. I appreciate your sharing your years of expertise, as it does inform my perspective of your opinion.
I wish you good health and a safe year ahead.
February 2, 2021 at 7:24 PM #400333
Yes! It does worry me that they aren’t FDA approved. Another reason I’m in no hurry to get one.
February 2, 2021 at 9:44 PM #400352
February 2, 2021 at 9:50 PM #400355SorbishParticipant
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It was the Pfizer, given at the Milw VA. Standard 15 minute wait to be sure there wasn’t going to be a reaction.
No reaction during the day or evening. Next morning I felt very minor soreness, sort of like I’d had a deep jab in the shoulder, and that disappeared sometime during the day.
Ending the pandemic needs a shot in the arm.
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February 3, 2021 at 1:08 PM #400533Hobbit709Participant
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Moderna. I’m 70 with diabetes, high blood pressure.
The next morning my arm where I got the shot was touchy if I put pressure on it.
3 friends’ reaction to the second one ranged from 1 day of fever and chills, feeling a little tired for a day, and nothing.
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February 3, 2021 at 5:48 PM #400582MikeW285Participant
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Got first dose of Pfizer last week. Zero reactions. Didn’t even feel it in the deltoid the next morning, like I sometimes do with the flu vaccines.
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March 11, 2021 at 4:27 PM #409969
Mods- is it possible to move this thread to the Covid 19 forum so it doesn’t get lost? Thanks.
March 11, 2021 at 8:22 PM #410022
March 11, 2021 at 4:47 PM #409976xyzseParticipant
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Too early to tell if there are any reactions. She’s sore, so she took some Aleve.
It will take a while before I can get a shot…
March 11, 2021 at 4:57 PM #409977Average GazooParticipant
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I’m a biology geek in a family full of medical professionals so following all developments. Not sure if I want the J&J or the Moderna. J&J is a more traditional vaccine, not mRNA, and it increases immunity over the first 49 days.
Re: adverse reactions. If someone has had or been exposed to Covid19 then I would expect a fairly severe reaction after the vax because the body has antibodies at the ready. They are not doing titers and are so far demanding that even people who had covid19 get the shots. This is unusual. If I take my dog to get the lyme vaccine (bad idea btw) they will do a titer first but if I go for the covid vax there is no such titer offered.
My friend who is 78YO got the shot on a Tuesday, rode 45 minutes in a car driven by an infected cab driver on Friday and immediately had an episode that lasted about 18 hours — fever, chills, weakness, nausea. My best guess is that his immunity was kicking in from the vax and immediately reacted to the exposure. A little scary but that is what the shot is supposed to do — get your body to fight every subsequent exposure.
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March 11, 2021 at 7:07 PM #410002
“If someone has had or been exposed to Covid19 then I would expect a fairly severe reaction after the vax because the body has antibodies at the ready.”
Useful information; I hadn’t considered that, thanks. @averagegazoo
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March 11, 2021 at 5:36 PM #409985MikeW285Participant
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Three weeks since I had my second dose of the Pfizer. Zero reactions (not even a sore arm) of any kind the whole way through. A side-note: I gave blood one week after my second dose of the vaccine and the Red Cross’s covid antibody test came back “reactive”, which means their test ‘sees’ that I’ve been vaccinated and that it’s working. Previous blood donation / pre-vaccination, the antibody test was negative.
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March 11, 2021 at 6:04 PM #409992MackMarksteinParticipant
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Second-hand but accurate: One person close to me got the vax 2 days ago, reported arm still sore a day later, and that she’s never had a lingering sore arm after a shot. Said she had some weakness and eye migraine (which she’d had pretty often before, so wasn’t very worried). Another person, who got the J. and J. the same day: Reported bad headache the following day. Headache is considered a “common side effect” of J. and J.
As for me, I’m probably eligible to get a vax in general at this point but am watching and waiting…and maybe never. Have got an autoimmune condition and am studying what MD’s and Phd’s say about how that and either type of vax can interact with each other: So far only nebulous but scholarly-sounding statements from the MD’s and Phd’s.
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April 11, 2021 at 8:15 PM #416422jbnwParticipant
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Shot was painless, but brought back almost all the symptoms from last year. Fatigue, labored breathing, nausea, headache etc. but no fever. Been over a week and fatigue and breathing is not back to where it was.
Symptoms are fortunately milder and much shorter duration than over a year ago. I cannot say definitively that I had COVID-19 – a test wasn’t available as I didn’t have the high fever required for a test then, and the antibody test, taken 9 months later when a test was finally available, was also negative – though those are reported to only show antibodies for up to 6 months.
I’m hoping the 2nd shot will have no side-effects as the first shot just warmed my body up for it 😉
April 11, 2021 at 9:39 PM #416429MackMarksteinParticipant
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Still second hand (haven’t entered the compete-to-get-vaxed field yet for multiple reasons, may never–I have fear of Covid and distrust of the vaxes): Oldest person in my extended family is 93, has had numerous life-threatening conditions, like the fluid in lungs due to weak circulation. So, calculating that he’s a goner if he gets Covid, he got the Pfizer vax, got second dose the last Monday in March. Within 2 weeks he had an outbreak of shingles, which is still ongoing. They are trying tramadol and an external cream. I could easily find via Googling at least one report of a young person (around 40) who contracted shingles within weeks of a vax, but I don’t think it was Pfizer. The Google article was couched in mocking quotes by medical professionals saying, “Nothing to see here. Preposterous that the vaccine had a causal role in the shingles outbreak.” Shingles, probably everyone knows, is a dormant virus which wakes up under, supposedly, various vaguely defined kinds of bodily stress, and likes to thrive around nerves.
April 12, 2021 at 1:00 AM #416470Mr. Mickeys MomModerator
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Hell, no... I'm not giving up...
April 16, 2021 at 7:21 PM #417487Jim LaneParticipant
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First shot: Right after the shot, I felt fine, and even walked home (almost two miles). Beginning about 24 hours after the shot, several days of extreme fatigue. I would be feeling more or less normal, not doing anything strenuous, and then suddenly my body would loudly tell me that it was time for another nap.
Some people report much stronger reactions to the second shot. Based on that, I laid in grocery supplies, rescheduled an appointment that had been set for a couple days after my second shot, and told people counting on me for things that I might be out of commission this week.
Second shot last Saturday (April 10): To my relief, my experience has been exactly the same as the first time, including walking home. No fever, no chills, no nausea, no four-hour erections, just extreme fatigue beginning the day after. In fact, I just woke up from my second nap of the day.
After the first shot, I had some arm soreness — worse than any I had had from previous vaccines, but still pretty mild. There was also some stiffness in that arm. This time, I had heard the advice to do arm exercises. It scarcely qualifies as exercise, just moving the arm a little (hold it out horizontally, then over your head, then a couple windmills). Whether because of this or not, the second shot brought less soreness and no stiffness.
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