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    We're concentrating too much on the Presidential election.

    This is the worst election in our lifetime. Bar none. The information coming out about both main candidates is overwhelming. The fact that we are not a Democracy, or even a Democratic Republic, has never been more clear.

    Our government is as far from transparent as you can get. But thanks to places like Wikileaks and people like Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Greg Palast, Chris Hedges, we know much more than the government wanted us to know.

    We will never win back our country if we vote for either of the two main idiots. The best we can realistically hope for is that neither reaches the 270.

    We need to concentrate on down ticket elections. We have to do everything we can to ensure there are as many as possible honest, intelligent, left of center, “Berniecrats” elected to every office possible.

    We’re trying to highlight races around the country where a Berniecrat is running. But there have been very few posts created to spotlight.

    If there is a liberal progressive running in your state, county, city, school board, please, if you have time, write a Topic about it. Include the pertinent information in the title and include a link to their fundraising site in the body.

    Let’s move in a positive direction. Let’s concentrate on what we can do instead of what we can’t do.

    We need to continue discussing everything. We need to inform as much as possible. Let’s make part of that down ticket elections.

    Thank you

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    • sabrina (5958 posts)
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      1. Mary, I couldn't agree with you more. The Presidential races are nothing more

      than a muli-Billion Dollar show for the people, to create the illusion that we ever had a choice. And for the powerful who actually run things, they are just a shwheowcasing of their final choices.

      While the Corporate Media keeps everyone focused on the scam, people are ignoring the down ticket races which, imo, have become far more important than the WH race.

      To be honest, once it became clear they were about to steal the Primaries from Bernie, I realized our only chance is to undermine their selections for the WH by taking control of Congress.

      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        5. Absolutely agree with everything you said.

        Thank you for doing so much to try and keep the focus on what we can do.

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • Akallabeth (2234 posts)
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        102. Trade deals signing away health care, education, jobs and financial regulation

        forever. Thats why this election is so important. Trade deals are forever, you cant vote them away in four years.

         

        They will be much more important than any state because treaties preempt national, state and local laws. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in filthy profits per person riding on this one.

        "Out of many, one"
    • oldandhappy (2960 posts)
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      2. Thank you, I needed this push

      Spent all day yesterday researching moving to Central America.  I am so disgusted with this lying thieving election cycle.  I never want to go thru another one.  But I have to get thru this one.  So I will check.  Douglas Applegate is running against Darrel Issa in southern CA.    I will look up info on that race.  Applegate actually has a chance.

      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        6. Thank you so much. Please let me know if you create an OP/Topic

        Central America is under the rule of the U.S. Moving there may put you more in harm’s way than being here.

        But I truly understand.

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • oldandhappy (2960 posts)
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          9. Is this the idea?

          Douglas Applegate
          Running for the 49th district against Darrell Issa

          Applegate’s politics are solidly Democratic. He supports a pathway to citizenship for immigrants who entered the country illegally, as well as abortion rights for women, gay rights and the Affordable Care Act.

          He has also vowed to support legislation to combat climate change and increase renewable energy, a major policy difference he has with Issa. In the past, Issa has said that there is a scientific consensus that  climate change is a “myth.”

          Applegate is against the TPP!!!

          This site has a list of his positions on issues and a donate button.

          applegateforcongress.com

          • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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            10. Perfect!

            Thank you!

            Well, please add the State in the title. You may have to abbreviate some of it but yes, that’s it!

            As soon as you post it (and I see it) I’ll put it on the Spotlight

             

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • sabrina (5958 posts)
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            13. Perfect, Issa I read is in trouble and has been forced to spend far money

            than he usually does to try to hold on to his seat. Thanks for posting this, looks like we need to give Applegate a hand.

          • Silver Witch (4278 posts)
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            51. Thank you.

            Juyst FYI my last bowel movement is a better candidate than ISSA.  But hen will win because San Diego is RED!

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      • mnhtnbb (198 posts)
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        55. We got involved with escaping to Panama after Bush 2004

        Central America is really about finding a nice place to live, at reasonable cost, without the pretense of democracy.   We went as far as getting our permanent resident visas in Panama and were involved with building a place in Bocas del Toro area–the Caribbean side of Panama not far from the border with Costa Rica.  Long story, but our plan never came to fruition.  If by some chance Trump wins this election, my husband is on notice that we’re on a plane to Kauai to investigate living there.  I’m too old to deal with moving to another country now but I want to be far, far away from the gun nuts and bigots.

        I worry about the unrest from Trump  supporters when Hillary wins.  They have guns, they have righteous indignation, and they are ready to wipe out women, gays, Hispanics, blacks, and anyone else who doesn’t agree with their white male supremacy views.  If I were 20 years younger I’d be looking to relocate to Canada or the EU.

        • The Crone (2795 posts)
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          70. Really and truly, the majority of Trump supporters aren't

          About wiping out any body. The rabid radical Trump supporters are used by the media to keep us too afraid to do other than vote for Hillary. But those rabid  folks are atypical.

          A typical Trump supporter is like this: A few of their relatives are gays, their wives and daughters are women, they probably have at least one if not several AA’s and hispanics at their work place. (Who they eat lunch with.)

          Are they sick of endless immigration? Yes, they are. It is hard to have a normal society when the state you live in is owed more than 25 billion dollars by the Federal government for taking in countless immigrants. When programs that are worthwhile have to be cut back because the dollars on the state level have to be stretched so thin.

          Way back in 1993, Rob Morse, a liberal San Francisco Examiner reporter, went up and down the length of I-5 in Central Calif., asking people their thoughts on immigration. Most people he talked to thought it should be slowed down. And the people he made a point of talking to were the Chungs, the Nguyens, the Hernandezes, the Ramirezes, the Lis, and so on, not people with WASP-y last names. A main concern is congestion. If we take in 15% of the populace south of the borders, that is 150 million people!

          But the main attraction for Donald’s supporters is how Trump talks about the absolute necessity of having jobs return to the US. About the absolute necessity of foregoing any more Global Trade deals. Do I trust him on what he says? No, not particularly. But some of my neighbors do.

           

          "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
          • FanBoy (7138 posts)
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            81. Yes, Mexican-Americans are typically anti-immigration, or so I read. More so

            than white americans — or so I read.

            The media story is increasingly divorced from real life.

        • BlueAK (1371 posts)
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          78. This is

          why I love being in Alaska.  We’ve got all of Canada to buffer us.  ;)

          https://northernvisions.smugmug.com/
    • ThouArtThat (3341 posts)
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      3. All Too True – The Decaying Corpse Of American Democracy

      Is lying in the street, slaughtered by the 1%.

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      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        7. Yep. That's exactly what has happened.

        Sadly.

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Bluesuedeshoes (2040 posts)
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      4. It can be difficult separating the Berniecrats from the fakers

      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        8. True. But it can be done.

        Hopefully, we’ll elect the right people. At least people who will fight for right.

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • sabrina (5958 posts)
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        14. True, but look at their records. Also, many Berniecrats are running as

        Independents, and personally I think they all should. But the site that lists them has done a pretty good job of trying to ensure they are not fakes.

        • Bluesuedeshoes (2040 posts)
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          18. I was promoting several who turned out to be Third Way

          It was not until I spoke with them in person that I figured it out.

          You are correct about Berniecrats running as Independents.

          • The Crone (2795 posts)
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            74. Good to know this.

            I will remember to call people before voting for them.

            "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • arcane1 (1446 posts)
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      11. And we can no longer afford to vote and sit back and wait for them to fix it all

      We need to be on their asses every day (just like Obama advised us to, but nobody did). And we definitely cannot any longer allow re-election to be assumed for ANY office.

      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        12. Absolutely.

        We were criticized for objecting to anything Obama did or didn’t do. Even letting torture be an issue was met with crap from the third-way.

         

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • sabrina (5958 posts)
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          15. We clung to the Dem Party and its acolytes for way too long. But I think these

          Primaries and Bernie’s campaign, pushed people to finally make the necessary move away from both corrupt major parties and especially the leadership of the Dem Party.

          While I wish we could have overcome the corruption in the Primaries, maybe that was too much to hope for considering the powers that are behind all this, but on the good side, Bernie’s campaign was strong enough to force them out into the open far more than had intended.

          People needed to see it for themselves and millions have now. So while I so wanted a real Progressive in the WH, I guess that wasn’t possible right now, but maybe in four years IF we don’t stop.

          • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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            16. We must not stop.

            Assuming I can afford to get there, I will be at the protest in DC during the coronation.

            We don’t deserve either of these asswipes.

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
            • sabrina (5958 posts)
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              44. IF they succeed in installing her, she will never be legitimate. Which sets

              women back decades.

              • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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                45. That's so true.

                It will be forever in history that the first female president had to cheat her way in.

                948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • sabrina (5958 posts)
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        43. Yes, exactly. They can't relax once elected and forget WHO elected them.

    • jwirr (2962 posts)
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      17. Totally agree when what we should be looking at is the downticket candidates

      that are needed to fight them when one of them takes over. I thank whoever put the list of Berniecrat candidates on another thread. There are people in every state.

      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        21. There are a few

        But we need as many as possible. I don’t even care about duplicates.

        Work you area. Work your state. Let’s get this done!

        That’s for everyone, jwirr. :) Not aiming at you

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Rozinante (2473 posts)
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      19. There are no 'BernieBro' candidates on my ballot.

      So I’ll be casting a lot of votes for Third Party Candidates and even a republican or two, in order to send the Dem Party a strong message of disapproval. I hope a bloodbath does the trick, and puts a stake through the corrupt Third Way corporatists.

      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        23. I respect that

        But please be sure that any Republican is not worse than the dem.

        Not everyone in the Democratic party is party to what the dnc did.

        Ray Metcalfe in Alaska and Jane Kim in San Francisco are both running on the Democratic ticket. But they both fight corruption everywhere.

        I would rather a dem that fights for the right things than a Republican who wants to limit women’s rights and minority rights, etc

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Rozinante (2473 posts)
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          25. Among the Dems on my ballot…

          …are Patrick Murphy (former Republican and DWS poodle) for US Senate, and Charlie Crist (former Republican and DWS poodle) for US Representative. Ugh. Gag me.

          At least the GOP candidate for Congress is the incumbent, David Jolly. He’s been OK for a republican…pretty reasonable and moderate, and at least he’s honest about being a Republican and not pretending to be a Democrat.

          For Senate, I can’t bring myself to vote for either Murphy or Rubio. There is a Libertarian running…I don’t know anything about him but he can’t be any worse than the other two.

          • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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            29. Oy vey!!

            Some choice!

            Good luck. I don’t know what I would do. Vote third party I guess.

            Yikes!

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
            • Art from Ark (1974 posts)
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              56. This is the third election in a row

              where no Democrat has been on the ballot for my district’s Congressional race– just an incumbent Republican running against a Libertarian, although 4 years ago there was also a Green Party candidate in the race– Rebekah Kennedy, who holds the national record for the highest percentage of votes won by a Green candidate in a national-level election (16%).

              The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
              • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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                59. Oh that's so sad

                But awesome about the Green party candidate.

                I can’t imagine living in a red state or red area. Would suck!

                 

                948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
                • Art from Ark (1974 posts)
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                  62. In the 3rd District, there is

                  Bentonville, which is definitely a Walmart company town. I’ve never figured Rogers out, but it’s also reliably red (and now is home to a lot of Richie Riches who have so much influence that Republican presidential candidates usually drop by on their fundraising tours). Springdale is home to Tyson’s and is a working-class town. Fort Smith gave John Paul Hammerschmidt his margin of victory over Bill Clinton in the 1974 Congressional election and has been deep red ever since. Bella Vista is a large retirement community that attracts mainly wealthy conservatives from the Upper Midwest.  Fayetteville is a major college town, so that’s the best place where you’re likely to find some kindred spirits.

                  The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
                  • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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                    63. It's a wonder that anyone but the uber rich

                    Support the Republican party anymore. No one should support the Democratic party. Not after all this.

                    Sorry. Sounds like a no win situation. Just like our presidential election

                    948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
                    • Art from Ark (1974 posts)
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                      64. To give you an idea of the Republican influence of the Rogers/Bentonville area,

                      the state’s current governor, Asa Hutchinson (who was a favorite of the Bushes) is from Bentonville, as was his brother, Tim, a former US Senator. One of the current US senators is from Rogers, as is the current 3rd District representative.

                      The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
                      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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                        66. Doesn't sound like there's much hope of changing anything there.

                        But we should never say never.

                        Look what the coal miners did back in the day.

                        I feel for you.

                        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
                      • Art from Ark (1974 posts)
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                        68. Another thing about Bentonville

                        Not only is it the home of Walmart and the Hutchinson brothers, it was also the home of J.H.Hatfield, the ill-fated author of Fortunate Son who ended up, um, committing suicide in a hotel room in nearby Springdale just 6 months into the Bush misadministration.

                        The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
                      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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                        69. I didn't know that

                        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
                      • Art from Ark (1974 posts)
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                        91. Here's something else you probably didn't know about Bentonville

                        The Bush twins are going to be giving a keynote speech at Crystal Bridges, which is Alice Walton’s art museum in Bentonville. Several Walmart execs will be speaking, too, and there will even be a video appearance by Alice Walton herself. Be there or be square! 

                         

                        http://www.4029tv.com/article/george-w-bushs-daughters-to-speak-at-crystal-bridges/7158381

                        The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
                      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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                        92. Yikes!

                        Can’t miss that!!

                        :puke:

                        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
                      • Art from Ark (1974 posts)
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                        The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
                      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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                        94. Oh fun!!

                        Can I just skip all of it and pretend I went? :lol:

                        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Enthusiast (6662 posts)
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      20. You are so right on, Mary!

      :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        24. Thank you Enthusiast

        I can’t hear or read “right on” without thinking about an episode of McCloud.

        John Denver was the guest star and all I can remember of his lines were “right on” and “FAR out!” :lol:

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Art from Ark (1974 posts)
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          58. I think I remember that episode

          We always watched McCloud, McMillan and Wife, and Columbo, the NBC Sunday Mystery Movie triumvirate.

          The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
          • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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            61. Loved those shows

            McMillan and Wife was my favorite.

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Sir Bald Alot (8419 posts)
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      22. There is one more thing we can do

      and it’s very, very important.

      Let’s go ahead and admit we’re in deep shit for 4 years. I always say that things can always get worse, no matter how bad things are right now. Fine.

      We have four years to get Bernie or someone like him to run. They have to run as a Democrat or they don’t stand a chance of winning.

      Let’s quit whining and get serious about the future we give to our children.

      I dream of how things could be, and ask ‘Why not?’ Dwelling on the past keeps us rooted to the past. I say to hell with what has come before, let us shape that which will be.
      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        28. I agree with the first part

        But not the second. We have four years to build a party that is for the people not the money

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • jhart3333 (95 posts)
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          46. Agree absolutely. We now know what happens to those who run as Democrats.

          They sell out or they get run over.

          • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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            48. We HAVE to get money out of politics

            Or nothing will ever change.

            The love of money….

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • MistaP (4112 posts)
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      26. maybe an interactive map of the US states

      shouldn’t be too hard on Flash or Javascript–mouseover and click, it takes you to a non-forum page for the state with all the certified Berniecrats and liberals running at all levels (especially if they defeated a Clinton delegate in the “primaries”)

      http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        30. That's a great idea!

        Someone here created an interactive map for the Presidential election. Or maybe @matariki can do it?

        It would be impossible for me. I am a tech idiot!

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • NuttyFluffers (1772 posts)
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          53. Map Updates! seconded! so useful for Jill in 6 precious months!

          eyes on the prize! replace bad faith reps with good faith reps!

          • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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            54. I'll try to find who created the map

            And ask if it would be something they can do for the down ticket elections

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Kenjie (126 posts)
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      27. I do think too much time is spent on

      the race for the White House however I am not sure what voting for Berniecrats inside of the dem party is going to accomplish in the end. This primary with all of its voter suppression, gas lighting, intimidation, and outright abandonment of any appearance of a fair contest has me thinking that Clinton presidency would neutralize most down ticket gains.

      At the convention Bernie voters had their signs taken away, credentials stripped, the lights were turned out on them and they were treated very much like they are not welcome in the Clinton democrat party.  I have to think that any Berniecrats we elect would be outnumbered, and therefore easy to keep isolated and off of key committees.

      In short the majority of the dems performed all manner of dark arts to make sure they installed Clinton. If they did it when she was just a candidate, how much more if she became president?

      If Clinton lost, maybe Berniecrats would have a chance because the natural opposition would be against Trump, but even in this scenario I can see the dems alienating Berniecrats. First they would be livid that their queen was not crowned and I am all but sure the party leaders would move to punish incoming Berniecrats. So then they would engage in the time honored democrat tradition of learning the wrong lesson from a loss and move to cozy up to corporations even more.

      I  think the future of progressives is all but certain to be outside of the democrat party. I happen to live in a state that as far as I can tell was very successful at keeping it corporate on the ballot when it comes to candidates left of center. So my ballot will likely be a collection of third parties as well as many races being left blank. I’ll end by saying I am not telling anyone who to vote for and I do hope every Berniecrat makes it and isn’t met with what I imagine they will be.

      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        31. "I think the future of progressives is all but certain to be outside of the

        Democratic party.”

        Totally agree.

        There are Berniecrats running as dems though. Ray Metcalfe in Alaska and Jane Kim in San Francisco are both very progressive and fight corruption everywhere.

        But there’s much truth to your point.

        We get as many progressives in now. In 2018 we do the same. All the while working on a new party

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • MistaP (4112 posts)
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        34. Dem primaries are the main way this country's moved to the right

        anyone who’d object to the duopoly’s shared worldview is carefully squeezed out–Cegelis, Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, R.Adm. Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, Lutrin, Weiland, Canova

        this lets the GOP play the villains (and boy DO they!) and the Dems as doing the best they can given the circumstances, while eschewing any defense of principle–issues are just bloody shirts to wave every 24 months

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
    • Depaysement (701 posts)
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      32. Two questions

      1. Are there downticket progressives that JPR has not spotlighted?

      2. How can either of the two major party candidates, each of whom is a pathological liar and inveterate lawbreaker, take the Oath of Office?

       

      "White youth, black youth Better find another solution Why not phone up Robin Hood And ask him for some wealth distribution" White Man in Hammersmith Palais (1978)
      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        33. Question one…

        Yes. A bunch!

        Question two, what’s an oath to a lying pos? They don’t care and neither does anyone that has the power to stop it

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • retrowire (489 posts)
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      35. FUCKING

      THANK YOU

      I fix technological thingamadoodads. Also, Bernie is my spirit animal.
      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        36. Ha!

        Fucking you’re welcome!

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • retrowire (489 posts)
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          37. *hugs* nt

          I fix technological thingamadoodads. Also, Bernie is my spirit animal.
          • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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            38. Back at ya!

            :hug:

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Pacco Fransisco (3264 posts)
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      I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        40. Thank you.

        I’ll check them out. Hopefully, we can coordinate

         

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      • The Crone (2795 posts)
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        76. What a fantastic set of links. Thank

        you!

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • davidgmills (4120 posts)
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      41. I fucking live in a red state. State and local elections mean nothing to me.

      We have two Rs for senate and 7 Rs out of 9 in the house.  The two D’s are as Dixie dems as they get.

      Fuck them all.

      French Revolution; not secession.
      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        42. I'm sorry.

        That really sucks!

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • cyberpj (2365 posts)
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      47. Thanks. I needed that.

      Small state Delaware here with 2 well-established 3rd way Dem senators who have voted FOR everything when more moderate Dems have not.  But I can look at more local level positions and I can still write letters to the editor here which w/do more to instigate discussion locally and maybe change some minds.

      Like I said…  thanks, I needed that.

      QUESTION EVERYTHING 
      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        49. Thank you!

        Please let me know if you write an OP about a candidate. I’ll gladly put it on the Spotlight.

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Silver Witch (4278 posts)
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      50. Are there any? I am just not sure anymore.

      Perfect post for today. Thank you!

      #Let'sTalkRevolution
      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        52. Thank you.

        Are there any down ticket progressives? Yes. Check out the down ticket forum

        :)

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • grouchomarxist (149 posts)
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      57. i wish my local reps would stfu about these two clowns running

      for the top political office.

      c’mon you guys what are you going to do for my state.

      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        60. Amazing anyone wants to talk about them.

        At least as anything more than a novelty. Certainly not as something good

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • olddots (1776 posts)
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      65. this is the olygarch's plan = super bowl

      Verses participation .Politics as couch potato sports , listen to even progressive/liberal radio and it sounds like dumb sports radio while nothing is mentioned about down ticket issues . We need voters not TV ratings .

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        67. +1000

        Great analogy

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • FanBoy (7138 posts)
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        82. +100. been moving that way for decades.

        When I start thinking about it, everything has.  It just popped into my head the era when the news started getting competition from those half-gossip with some news mixed in shows and I thought then — they’re dumbing things down.  That was a long time ago.

        inside edition?  something like that.

    • The Crone (2795 posts)
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      71. I noticed during the Primary that

      Neither of the two main candidates for local State Senator slot mentioned where their funding came from. Through talking to friends, I heard one was being somewhat funded by Big Pharma. And the other was funded by Big Oil.

      Why isn’t it mandatory on the pamphlet you send out who is doing the funding? A simple pie chart could let the voter know where your money is coming from?

      And if  you won’t mention in your literature what your feelings and thoughts are on marijuana, then forget about me voting for you. It is that simple. (I have yet to receive a pamphlet from anybody about where they are on that issue.) I am pretty sure that the Greens are okay on the marijuana issue. And part of Gary Johnson’s appeal is that any libertarian out there says, “Make drugs legal. What you put into your body is no one’s business but your own.” (So I assume Johnson says the same.)

      "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        72. Good points

        I could see not advertising you’re being funded by the corporations screwing us. But it sure should be required on their online fundraising post.

        I don’t know what Johnson’s views are on pot. I do know he’s a fucking idiot though. :)

        You’re right about views on marijuana. I wonder though if it’s because we’ll be voting on it.

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • The Crone (2795 posts)
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          73. Doesn't it seem like the Libertarian Party got

          Co-opted? That is the only rational explanation for Johnson.

          Much of what the earlier lib candidate Ron Paul did and said was progressive.

          He offered up his Congressional vote to oppose both Iraq War I and Iraq War II; his stance was firm on dissolving all foreign trade agreements (But maybe going back to sensible tariffs) and his stance was firm on drugs being legalized. About the only stance I dislike from him concerns a woman’s right to choose.

          And in 2012, the Primary was stolen away from him by Republican leaders just as the Dems stole it this year from Bernie. I can’t at all figure out how the Libertarian Party  went from Ron Paul to Gary Johnson.

          "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
          • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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            75. Me either

            It’s all about, and always about, the money.

            Paul has been against the Patriot Act too

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • BlueAK (1371 posts)
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            79. Gary Johnson

            is a terrible candidate, absolutely clueless.

            https://northernvisions.smugmug.com/
    • The Crone (2795 posts)
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      77. One more bit of a kick!! n/t

      "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        80. Thank you!

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • draa (694 posts)
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      83. Supporting the Berniecrats is a great idea.

      But there’s not any Berniecrats(I hate that name) in my district or area so I’ll only vote for the top spot. Screw everyone else. It’s hard to stand up for those people when they wouldn’t stand up for me. Thanks.

      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        84. I completely understand.

        I’m trying to get more posts on the down ticket progressives that are running. There are many in many areas. Unfortunately, there are not anywhere near enough.

        I understand why you don’t care for the name Berniecrat. However, it stands for what we fought so hard for and what he stood for while a candidate in the primary. :)

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • draa (694 posts)
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          85. Yeah, I understand the name

          but for our movement I’d prefer removing the “crat” completely. I know they’re running in the DP but I’d rather not use the that moniker.

          I actually like Bernistas but that’s just me. But I do think our movement needs to move away from the “crat” label regardless. Thanks Mary.

          • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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            86. Good point

            We need an entirely new name and party

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
            • draa (694 posts)
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              87. A new party especially, but a name would be a start.

              I’m not sure what Bernie raised during the primary but it was a load of cash. If we did that again, just from what’s left of the movement, we could build a new party very easily.

               

              • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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                88. Good idea

                I think we should try to get all the progressive parties together and form one party. There are slight differences but the main issues that need to be addressed are the same.

                Money out of politics, climate change, zero population growth and no more war

                948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • HawkeyeX (641 posts)
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      89. The only downticket I'm voting is Green

      DeGette gets nothing from me this year, because it does not matter – this district is hers as long as she wants it.

      Fortunately I have a Green U.S. Senate candidate that I’m comfortable throwing away at the expense of Bennet who was outraised by his pathetic R challenger.

       

      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        90. Thank you.

        We have to get more progressives on the 2018 ballot.

        Would you mind writing an OP about your Green candidate? I desperately need down ticket progressive posts to spotlight.

        If you do, please let me know. Just need the pertinent information in the title, name, state, office, and then you can just copy and paste from their fund raising site in the text box

        Thank you for considering

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • demwing (65 posts)
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      95. I'm voting Green locally, Blue otherwise – haven't figured out POTUS issue

      I get the sense that there are some Trump supporters here, which surprises me from what I understood to be a progressive forum.

       

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      • madfloridian (1518 posts)
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        96. Glad to see you here.

        I haven’t seen many Trump supporters, only a few with  a protest vote against Hillary.

        I voted for Jill Stein and will join the Green Party.

        I think many here did also.

        I know the Greens won’t win,  but I think enough are voting for them this year that they will be enabled to be more of a player in the nation’s politics.

        We need another player now and will until the warhawks let go of their control of the Democrats.

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
        • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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          98. Btw,

          :hi: So glad to see you here!

          :bounce: :bananas:

          Oops! Meant that for @demwing

          I’m always glad to see you madfloridian!

          948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • demwing (65 posts)
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          99. I'd like to see Jill hit her 5% mark

          A small goal for such a pivotal election, but these are the dog days of democracy in America, so we take what we can grab, I guess.
          BTW – thanks for the welcome! Nice to see some old DU posters live on here… :)

           

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      • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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        97. Not supporters in the sense they like him.

        Only in the sense that they believe that Clinton and the Democratic party being validated with a win will kill the movement. She’s so awful people are more fearful of her and her fascism than they are of trump and his.

        Personally, I wish no one would vote for either of these lessers. It’s the only way that I see a real message being sent.

        With either evil, we’re screwed

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • demwing (65 posts)
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          100. Want so much to vote for Jill Stein, but I have fear

          Clinton is smart evil, but Trump is stupid evil – and stupid evil generally does more damage because they have less a sense of self-preservation. Plus I don’t want to be responsible for putting Pence in a position where he’s just an orange, overweight, 70-year-old, hateful heartbeat away from ultimate political power.

          Nice to chat again Marym!

           

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          • Marym625 (17064 posts)
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            101. I completely understand

            This election is so horrible that we decided we are not endorsing anyone nor are we encouraging people to vote one way or another.

            We don’t allow campaigning for either Clinton or Trump but we don’t stop anyone from stating they’ll vote for one of them. I’ve not seen anyone here state they’ll vote for either because they think they’re good.

            I wish we could just have a do over. This election is frightening, horrible, embarrassing, just everything bad. The only one running who is any good is Stein. And because the media controls the information to the greater majority of voters, she’ll never win.

            Great chatting with you! My reply 98 was meant for you

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian