What IF Trump REFUSES to Concede Even if He Loses the Popular Vote & Electoral College? Van Jones Exposes Legal Power-Grab Loopholes Trump Could Use

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      Segami
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      If the 2020 US presidential election is close, the race could drag on in the courts and halls of Congress long after ballots are cast, says lawyer and political commentator Van Jones. Explaining why the customary concession speech is one of the most important safeguards for democracy, Jones exposes shocking legal loopholes that could enable a candidate to grab power even if they lose both the popular vote and the electoral college — and shares what ordinary citizens can do if there’s no peaceful transfer of power.

       

       

       

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      Donald Trump is planning on stealing the election. This statement is not a scare tactic, nor is it the opening of a discussion about American fascism. This is what Trump has told us. Worse, the Republican Party is going to protect him while he does it. As Biden gains on Trump in state after state, the president is desperate. He is convinced that the only way he can stay in office is to discredit the election itself and take control of the counting process. The beginning of his plan is what we are hearing in the media everyday: mail-in ballots are fraudulent by definition; the only way he can lose is if the election is rigged; ballots that are not counted on election day don’t count. This propaganda barrage is designed to set us up for what he plans to do as people vote—create a constitutional crisis. The worst case is not that he rejects the outcome. Rather, it is his intent to prevent the formation of a consensus about whether there is any outcome at all. That this is possible is due to the many anti-democratic features that were part of our Constitution from the beginning and codified in the Electoral Count Act of 1887. Trump is exploring many types of voter suppression. He is recruiting 50,000 goons, sheriffs, and cops in 15 states to “patrol” polling places to stop the Democrats from “stealing” the election.

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      In our system the concession speech by the losing candidate is traditionally seen as the “recognition of the winner.” Without a concession, Trump, the Republicans, and the right wing will continue to argue that the election was stolen, and that Trump is the rightful president. During this “interregnum” there is no one source of authority. It is conceivable that Trump will file case after case in the federal courts, trying to end up in his re-made (Trump majority) Supreme Court. It is naïve to think that the Court will “stay out of it.” Most people think that when Trump loses, he will refuse to concede. This means that, from election night until Congress certifies who has won the Electoral College vote, we can expect Trump to challenge the idea that he has lost. This will take place while the winning electors in each state are certified, which is scheduled for December 14, 2020. There is no doubt that Trump will try to challenge electors in states where he has lost the popular vote. Basing his claims on “rampant fraud,” it is not out of the range of possibility that he will ask Republican-held legislatures and Republican governors to appoint electors based on their determination that the official count is fraudulent, and that electing Trump is the “people’s will.” In Pennsylvania, Republican leaders, including the state chair of the Republican Party, have already admitted that they are having such conversations. The state Senate majority leader has told the press, “If controversy persists as the safe-harbor date [Dec. 14 when the electors must be chosen] nears, the legislature will have no choice but to appoint electors.” The longer Trump keeps the election in doubt, the more pressure these state Republicans will get from Trump, GOP leaders, and donors to act on their behalf.

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      If no majority of the electors is determined by the Congress, the election goes to the House. But in the House, there is only one vote per state. Currently, the Republicans hold the majority in 28 state delegations to the Democrats’ 26. If the election goes to the House, it will be the new House elected in November. It is telling that Nancy Pelosi is already urging her members to make sure that they win enough new seats to make sure the Democrats have the majority in enough delegations if it comes to that. If nothing else settles the election, Trump’s term comes to an end January 20th. If there is no president determined by that date, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, becomes president. It does not take much imagination to envision the chaos if that happens.

       

      If any of these eventualities come to pass, Attorney General Barr and the president’s goons (Marshalls, Border Patrol, ICE, the Bureau of Prisons, and other federal police forces) will step in and try to take power by force. All of this is to say that the only way to safeguard democracy is to turn out a massive vote for Biden, a majority so large that no one, not even Trump, can argue that he has won. Given Trump’s proclivities, the narrower a Biden victory, the more our democracy is in danger.

       

      https://cpusa.org/article/how-trump-and-the-gop-can-steal-this-election/

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      Besides, this election looks like it’s not even going to be close, so I think this article is more fearmongering and more Trump Derangement Syndrome.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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        ….and Trump has ramped up his messaging continuing to say that  ‘mail-in ballots are fraudulent; he can’t lose unless the election is rigged; uncounted ballots on election day don’t count’…….he’s prepping the stage to usher in his scheme….

         

        Nobody has a crystal ball to see into the future of what may unfold on election night, but if Trump doesn’t concede, that will be the first indicator of what’s to come……

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          Pres. Trump lied about it being ‘inappropriate’ and not ‘by our laws’ for ballots to be counted after Nov 3rd.

          FACT: While election winners might be projected on election night, a full count of legally cast ballots is never complete by then.

          His COVID-19 claims are top-tier con artist  LIES!!

           

           

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      if Biden loses, I would say this is a case of pots and kettles.  Also think Trump would just leave.  Also I am mightily afraid of what Biden will get up to doing, enabled by the Vichy Dems in Congress.  This is just more fear-mongering.  And ends with, tra-la-la-la-la!!!!! – the usual vote for the blue no matter who, the issues are NOT IMPORTANT crap – “massive victory”!!!!!!!   Nope.

      Also the Democratic Party is not in the least bit democratic.  So I find it hilarious when they whinge about democracy.

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      We could burn some of the minor social cancers in effigy. That’s the little town just west of Syracuse, right?

       

      Just kidding, rw humor

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      Security will escort him out the building. The Secret Service isn’t loyal to him like some mobster’s henchmen.

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      @segami

      I thought the new reps weren’t sworn in until January 3. So wouldn’t this decision be made by the existing representatives?

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        The Constitution’s 20th Amendment also requires the president and vice president to end their terms of office on January 20 at noon in the year following the general election.

        In addition to those basic constitutional requirements, Congress by statute controls when electoral votes are counted at the states and at Congress. The current statute reads that “the electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment at such place in each State as the legislature of such State shall direct.” This year, that day is December 14, 2020.

        Another part of the election law requires the states to send in their electoral votes to Congress by December 23, 2020. If electoral votes are not received by the fourth Wednesday in December, then the President of the Senate or the Archivist of the United States can use “the most expeditious method available” to get the votes sent to Congress. The electoral votes received by Congress are counted in a joint session at 1 p.m. on January 6. If a presidential or vice presidential candidate does not receive a majority of the electoral votes, the House selects the next president and the Senate selects the next vice president.

         

        https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/blog/does-the-constitution-allow-for-a-delayed-presidential-election

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    • #372528
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      Thanks, @segami!

      "The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them." -Julius Nyerere, First President of Tanzania

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