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    • #393269
      Bernin4U
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      Fi lays out the whole psyop. (Skip the first 1.5 min)

    • #393282
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      another actor?

      https://www.backstage.com/u/fiorellamayorca/media/photos

       

      plus her voice grates like hell and her organization sucks: she doesn’t ‘lay it all out’

      sorry to focus on technical features but she doesn’t seem to be saying anything useful, just her opinions, and she takes way too long to get to any kind of point

      38 minutes in and she is still droning on in that voice of whiny self-righteousness your sister had when she was tattling on you to mom

       

       

      • #393316
        ThouArtThat
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        @coldmountaintrail

        Hi cmt,

        Attacking the messenger is never a worthy line of critique.

        TAT

        “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
        - John F. Kennedy

        "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
        - George Orwell

        "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
        - Jiddu Krishnamurti

        "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
        - Idries Shah

        "A riot is the language of the unheard."
        - Martin Luther King

        • #393335
          Cold Mountain Trail
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          if the messenger makes it difficult to impossible to attend to or assess the message, attack is the only option.

          she is a very unskilled messenger & needs to turn in her winged sandals.  I dont know where she gets her acting jobs with that kind of delivery.


          @thouartthat

          • #393338
            ThouArtThat
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            @coldmountaintrail

            Hi cmt,

            Attacking the messenger is never a worthy line of critique.

            TAT

            “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
            - John F. Kennedy

            "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
            - George Orwell

            "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
            - Jiddu Krishnamurti

            "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
            - Idries Shah

            "A riot is the language of the unheard."
            - Martin Luther King

      • #393358
        snot
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        so I don’t have to spend an hour to get the gist?

        Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

    • #393317
      sadoldgirl
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      @coldmountaintrail:

      She was there, you were not. She described her experience,

      which has been agreed to by other social media people. If you

      just get the news from M$M,PBS or NPR, then you have to

      realize that they serve the purpose of the establishment. Trump

      is not important anymore, unless we encourage the RW to hold

      on to him. 74 million voters cannot be shoved under the table

      with disgust, and most of them are working class. Not all of them are poor,

      but I have yet to see Beezos, Gates, Zuckerberg or Soros join in such

      an event. And yet, these and other power brokers are the ones, who intend

      to control us.

      • #393333
        Cold Mountain Trail
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        @ sadoldgirl

        did you actually read anything i wrote?

        I didn’t question her on facts or whether she ‘was there’, but on her awful, longwinded, grating presentation.

        Furthermore,  thanks for your lecture about the doings of the rulers of mankind, I had no idea miz scahlet and that somehow caused me to overlook the wisdom from the dispenser of grating commentary on her convo couch.

        thanks for the heads up, i will be watching the ptb very closely from now on.

         

         

        • #393336
          ThouArtThat
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          @coldmountaintrail

          Hi cmt,

          Yes that is your MO. It has become a repeating and observable pattern of your posts.

          TAT

          “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
          - John F. Kennedy

          "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
          - George Orwell

          "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
          - Jiddu Krishnamurti

          "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
          - Idries Shah

          "A riot is the language of the unheard."
          - Martin Luther King

          • #393340
            Cold Mountain Trail
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            You also have a repeating pattern.

            Please ignore my posts from now on and I will ignore yours.

            • #393343
              ThouArtThat
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              @coldmountaintrail

              Hi cmt,

              Not going to happen.

              I do not tolerate character assassination for political expediency.

              TAT

              “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
              - John F. Kennedy

              "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
              - George Orwell

              "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
              - Jiddu Krishnamurti

              "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
              - Idries Shah

              "A riot is the language of the unheard."
              - Martin Luther King

              • #393344
                Cold Mountain Trail
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                • #393345
                  ThouArtThat
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                  @coldmountaintrail

                  Hi cmt,

                  Likewise, your brand of character assassination is very predictable.

                  TAT

                  “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
                  - John F. Kennedy

                  "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
                  - George Orwell

                  "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
                  - Jiddu Krishnamurti

                  "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
                  - Idries Shah

                  "A riot is the language of the unheard."
                  - Martin Luther King

                  • #393347
                    Cold Mountain Trail
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                    lol for the irony

                    whose character is it i’m supposed to have assassinated?

                     

                    • #393349
                      ThouArtThat
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                      @coldmountaintrail

                      Hi cmt,

                      All documented up thread with your attack the messenger post.

                      TAT

                      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
                      - John F. Kennedy

                      "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
                      - George Orwell

                      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
                      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

                      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
                      - Idries Shah

                      "A riot is the language of the unheard."
                      - Martin Luther King

                      • #393351
                        Cold Mountain Trail
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                        lol — you’re really saying I “assassinated the character” of this convo couch woman by saying her presentation skills suck?

                        But you dont “assassinate various people’s character” with the charges you bring against them?

                        yech, discussions with molasses

                         

                         

                      • #393354
                        ThouArtThat
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                        @coldmountaintrail

                        Hi cmt,

                        Attacking the messenger is a passive form of character assassination and never a worthy line of critique.

                        TAT

                        “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
                        - John F. Kennedy

                        "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
                        - George Orwell

                        "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
                        - Jiddu Krishnamurti

                        "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
                        - Idries Shah

                        "A riot is the language of the unheard."
                        - Martin Luther King

                      • #393355
                        Cold Mountain Trail
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                        like you’re passively attacking my message here?

                        my message is the woman has lousy presentation skills.

                        anyone can verify or critique my message by watching her video.

                        but you prefer to keep attacking the messenger, me.

                        rather than discussing or critiquing my message.

                        a passive form of character assassination.

                        why tat, why?

                        and here i thought you were all enlightened.

                      • #393357
                        ThouArtThat
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                        @coldmountaintrail

                        Hi cmt,

                        There is nothing passive in objectively stating an observation about an “attack the messenger” critique posted up thread.

                        TAT

                        “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
                        - John F. Kennedy

                        "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
                        - George Orwell

                        "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
                        - Jiddu Krishnamurti

                        "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
                        - Idries Shah

                        "A riot is the language of the unheard."
                        - Martin Luther King

                      • #393359
                        Cold Mountain Trail
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                        i will bow out.

                        your logic,character and enlightened self is just too overwhelming for my poor weapons


                        @thouartthat

                         

    • #393348
      mrdmk
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      When watching this Jimmy Dore Show about the Capitol incident one can clearly see that some of the police were reluctant to intervene against the surprise visitors. Some even took selfies with them. The police may have been overwhelmed and decided that more fighting would have been counterproductive. Or, maybe, they let it happen on purpose?

      The LIHOP theory is often applied to the 9/11 incident in 2001. The FBI and others knew that terrorist from the Middle East were about to use air planes to attack within the U.S. but it was decided to let that happen and to use the event for political gain. That political gain came in form of the Patriot Act which gave the government more power to spy on its citizens, and in form of the war of terror on the Middle East.

      Even weeks before Wednesday’s event there had been lots of open source chatter about a big protest in Washington and plans to take on the Capitol. Like in in 455, when the Vandals sacked Rome, there was little done by the local authorities to prevent that. The actors in both incidents have by the way remarkable similarities.

      If we consider that ‘Vandals’ storming the Capitol was known to be upcoming and that the vandals actually managed to do it, we have to look for potential aims of those who might have allowed it to happen.

      LINK–Moon of Alabama, Democrats Use Capitol Incident To Suppress Political Dissent

       

      Fiorella is not the only one to feel this way. Something is afloat and it is not right.

      As many know, there has been a disinformation campaign in the United States of America. We see all the time in the M$M, we are seeing it now.

      Now Biden says we need more laws to protect ourselves. Bullshit, every one of those people who participated in the riot (that is the correct term) at the Capital Building can be charge with murder because of the deaths of Ex-Air Force Women and the Capital Policeman. We have enough laws to put everyone who was at the riot in jail for a long time. In other words, we have plenty of laws, use them. What people like Biden want is more surveillance of the civilian population. That means you and I have no privacy because of these insecure authoritarian ass-hats. There are people lining up to fight this, it is in the article above.

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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      • #393406
        peacecorps
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        And the ‘disinformation campaign’ has not only been coming from the M$M (“Fake News”).

        As MoA said, “If we consider that ‘Vandals’ storming the Capitol was known to be upcoming and that the vandals actually managed to do it, we have to look for potential aims of those who might have allowed it to happen.”

        Were those who ‘allowed it to happen’ people currently in the executive branch (White House, DOD, etc.) who control security there (and have closer sources in the pro-Trump world) or people who saw the potential for a clamp-down after it happened?

        None of us KNOW who did what and what went on behind the scenes that led to this successful attack. There will be investigations but something tells me that the Trump-base/GOP in general will not accept the findings unless those findings fit their worldview of who MUST be guilty and who MUST be innocent.

        The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

        "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

        National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

    • #393360
      sadoldgirl
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      @coldmountaintrail:

      So she had nothing of importance to say? She reported on

      many items that anti-Trumpers don’t want to hear. Please,

      refrain from criticism of her voice, because it really sounds

      shallow, just like people criticized Hillary’s voice. That is

      totally irrelevant to the issue involved. Okay, if she was

      longwinded to you, many of us appreciated her explanations.

      I got a bit upset with TB for repetitions; yet that does not

      take away from important messages from both of them. So,

      the question really comes down to it: Are you attacking the

      messenger or her message? If the first, it is using typical

      smear attacks, if the second, please state where she is wrong.

    • #393400
      NJCher
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      Hoping to get the gist of what she said from posters who managed to sit through it.

      I could not.

      Guess I’ll have to get this information elsewhere.

      • #393413
        Ohio Barbarian
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        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #393417
        incognito
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        @njcher

        She agrees the election was probably stolen (I do too), but since we use evoting machines that are proprietary, we can never know with 100% certainty.

        There was no violence committed by the protestors – that she saw. (I guess she hasn’t watched the Status Coup footage) .

        Not all people at the Riot were Nazis. (many were… Confederate Flags they were flying, 6MWE T-shirts were worn and Auchwitz Summer Camp T-shirts were worn).

        This was a psyop for censorship and for a technocratic takeover.

        She doesn’t want Trump removed from office. He’s just the boogie man they’re using against us.

        Dems aren’t going to give us that $2,000. (I agree)

        We’re being duped by the Dem Party.

        Trump wasn’t inciting violence in that speech he gave prior to the Riot.  🙄

        People were allowed in the Capitol to help the government further their psyop.

        She heard people at the airport say they felt used and there was something they weren’t being told.

        She was flabbergasted there weren’t any BLM or ANTIFA there because there’s always counter protests at these huge events.

        Protesters said that since there wasn’t any ANTIFA present (or seen) they were the likely instigators of the Riot.

        If they silence Trump, they will silence us.

        The real Coup is the corporate takeover of our government. (I agree)

        When she was (at a rally ?) speaking about Force the Vote, she was surrounded by police from all sides, but somehow the police just happened to be missing during the massive Capitol Riot. And somehow they got into the building.

        The majority of the rioters were working class people. (that doesn’t jive with what I’ve seen)

        Everyone in Congress knew this was coming (Dems and Repubs) and they let it happen to further their agenda.

        The day this Riot went down, Syria was bombed by Israel and no one cares.

        Now the Dem Party has managed to turn Bernie Progressives into straight up Liberals who advocate for censorship, CHEERING FOR more surveillance, CHEERING FOR more state sanctioned violence by the police. (Oy Vey on that one)

        They (government) did this on purpose to discredit questions about elections, to discredit any opposition to the government. There were people there who were agitating and people who wanted this to look bad. The upper security state wanted this to look bad to make it look like a violent Coup.

        She named five people who should be in jail BEFORE Trump; Obama, Biden, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush

        If Trump is imprisoned, those five should join him.

        She’s 100% against the police state.

        She got into a spat with Jordan Chariton because he said she was partial to White Supremacy because she was defending the rioters.

        What was reported, wasn’t what she saw.

        They want us divided so we will demand AUTHORITARIANISM.

        The next row of Obamas are already in line and one of those is AOC. And she’s getting exposed up the wazoo right now.

        1:01 minutes in and I’m out… only 3 minutes left.

         

         

         

         

    • #393440
      Passionate Progressive
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      she contests the arguments that this was some coherent mob of Trump supporters – yes Trump voters include white supremacists but lots of people (multiple groups, ethnicities, ages, etc.) from other walks of life along the right political spectrum; she argues why/how one could easily contest that voting system and the 2020 election was fraudulent; and she also contests that Trump’s speech advocated inciting violence.  She explains how and why her narrative differs from conventional narratives which coincidentally has been accepted by the majority of the left and why the conventional narrative ends up in polarization and destructive through censorship the goals of the left.   That’s how I would capture what she says with the caveat that I believe she is correct….

      In most historical events, most primary sources (actual participants in those events) have varying views /interpretations of what actually happened….It is well worthwhile reviewing a variety of sources.

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

      It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

    • #393522
      EvilLurker
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      My info on this is 3rd hand so take it with a grain of salt. A friend on mine (not a very close friend) has a friend who works for the Capitol Police. He was there and said the police were unprepared. Their main job is to protect the people and not the property. They knew if they escalated they would not have the manpower to stop it. What I saw in many of the videos makes sense with that in mind. I know some of it looks bad, like the selfies, but those idiots probably weren’t seen as a threat to the people.

      • #393561
        incognito
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        @evillurker

        They had manpower in the hallway:

        These are Status Coup, in the trenches, video footage and are incredible.

        The second one is really intense though…

        • #393623
          EvilLurker
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          I just watched the 2nd video for the 1st time. A lot of forces on both sides. Looks like some of the police on the front line were getting worn down after a while. It’s much different from the outside barricades which seemed way too easy to breach. A little more background – My friend in somewhat conservative but not a Trump supporter. I rarely see him post about politics on social media. He was triggered by people on social media demeaning the Capitol Police.

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