What will you do if Bernie doesn't run or win the Democratic nomination?

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How do you think you may vote if Bernie doesn't run or doesn't win the nomination?

Nobody ever knows what they might do in any situation.

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  • #Vote 3rd Party
  • #2Vote for the Republican candidate
  • Vote for the Democratic candidate
  • Don't vote at all
  • Move to Nebraska, but a seaside cabana and hunt for penguins.
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    • #11580
      bazukhov
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      Poll:

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

    • #11588
      jwirr
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      I vote because I try to save the good local candidates that are keeping us going in my area. So the only two choices I have in the general election then are vote 3rd party or not vote at all. I voted for Jill last time.

      jwirr

    • #11592
      bazukhov
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      I voted for Jill in 2012 and 2016.   Not so much “for” her as against Romney, Trump, and Hillary.

      My nose holding abilities have increased since Trump took office so unless any of the candidates move too far to the right (can they be stupid enough to think that they can win right wing votes?) or are named Clinton they’ll probably get my vote.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

      • #11635
        peacecorps
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        “My nose holding abilities have increased since Trump took office …”

        He does have that effect.

        When you think you have no choice but to start a war, think again. Wars promise to be quick, clean and decisive. Wars lie. They cause more problems than they solve, they just won't tell you that beforehand.

        "If we are to have peace on earth, ... our loyalties must transcend our race, our tribe, our class, and our nation; and this means we must develop a world perspective."

    • #11594
      mmonk
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      The G’s have it (Gabbard or Green).

      Fear not the path of Truth for the lack of People walking on it. - RFK

    • #11595
      ZimInSeattle
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      I’m going to adopt the default position of voting Green unless Bernie, Tulsi (maybe), or Merkley win the Dem nomination. Not supporting anyone financially  in the primaries. Not going to have my money stolen again like Killary and the DNC did last time.

      "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK "If wars can be started by lies, they can be stopped by truth." ~ Julian Assange #SurviveAndRevolt

    • #11602
      Sorechasm
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      2016 was the only election I couldn’t stomach the Democratic candidate (voted Green for the first time in 32 years). The next Democratic candidate would have to be really bad not to vote for and against Trump.

      “Go and tell Alexander that God the Supreme King is never the Author of insolent wrong, but is the Creator of light, of peace, of life, of water, of the body of man and of souls;...what Alexander offers and the gifts he promises are things to me utterly useless;..." Dandamis, a great sannyasi of Taxila.Excerpt From: Yogananda, Paramahansa. “Autobiography of a Yogi.”

    • #11603
      game meat
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      It depends. I’ll vote for someone that has a solid universal healthcare plan (no “access” bs), a robust environmental platform, and solid economic policies that benefit American workers in the age of globalism. Those things are nonnegotiable for me. The thing is that it has to be someone with a credible history of advocating for good policy. Any corpodem can “evolve” on an issue and parade around the country telling people what they want to hear. We’ve been down that road before with hope and change, no reason to fall for that con again. If there’s no candidate worth voting for, then I won’t vote for anyone. Simple as that.

      "He busted in, blessed be thy lord
      Who believe any mess they read up on a message board
      If so, I got bridges for the low low" ~ MF DOOM

    • #11610
      incognito
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      Straight 3rd party, if I vote at all. If they steal the nomination from Bernie again, I’m never voting again.

      It’s all a freakin’ scam.

    • #11614
      djean111
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      I am not a Democrat any more.  If Bernie does not get the nomination, or if he does not run, I will vote Green.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #11615
      surrealAmerican
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      I don’t know yet. It depends on who the candidates are, and what they stand for.

    • #11650
      doh1304
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      To be honest I’ll vote Green, but it is actually possible that the corruptocrat will be so bad that I may have to vote orange. As of now Hillary is the only person omnicidally evil enough to trigger that decision, and even with her Pence will probably stop me, but it is possible.

      • #11827
        djean111
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        That is pretty much where I am at, too.  I will not enable a corruptocrat, no matter what it takes.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

        A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #11757
      sonofspy777
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      Since I’m pretty sure Bernie’s Running…I’ll ask You a question.

      When Bernie runs in your state primary..

      How many times do you vote for him?

       

      “Vote early, Vote often!”

      “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
      ~Samuel Clemens

    • #11781
      Woman Hear Me Roar!!
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      Not a democrat so probably won’t vote for any democratic candidate.

      Finally women are being heard...finally women are roaring.....

    • #11845
      RobertFromNC
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      I am going to vote for the progressive candidate that I feel has the best chance of winning, regardless of whether or not Bernie runs. Now, that could certainly end up being Bernie, or it might not be Bernie(and obviously won’t be if he doesn’t run). Of the names being mentioned so far, that would be Tulsi Gabbard, Elizabeth Warren, Jeff Merkley, Sherrod Brown, and currently lesser known Andrew Yang(and Tulsi, Elizabeth, and Andrew are obviously already running). At first I thought that it would be ideal if only 1 progressive ran and progressives rallied around that candidate, but now I think the more voices that speak to the issues and policies Bernie ran on in 2016 the better, at least in the beginning anyway.

      If it is not someone that runs on a platform like Bernie’s in 2016, I am not sure what I am going to do. To be honest, as much as I didn’t like Hillary, I did not want Trump in the White House in 2016. However, Trump is now a lame duck anyway and can’t get anything done with a democratic house.

       

       

       

    • #11966
      doh1304
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      Since the name Andrew Yang has come up I feel compelled to weigh in. I will say this about Yang, he is honest. He up front admits that he supports the UBI because “People will buy stuff that I make” (I could be misinterpreting his term, but I believe that he is a venture capitalist, therefore his quote should actually be “that I’m investing in” not “that I make”, but that’s not important to my point) He is admitting that the UBI is actually a scam to enrich him (and people like him) by subsidizing consumerism.

      A UBI will simply increase the cost of necessities by almost the amount of the UBI (minus a small amount to stimulate discretionary spending) thus enriching the 1%  and increasing wealth inequality. In many cases it will also deceive people into overspending, thus increasing poverty. It’s social value will be 0, in fact negative.

      • #11967
        bazukhov
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        Having been hungry poor during my lifetime I kinda like the idea of UBI.    I’m not all that concerned about some rich getting richer as I am concerned about people going hungry.

        As for Yang, I’ve only recently heard of him and from what little I know of him he sounds like someone I’d probably vote for against Trump.

         

        Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

    • #12043
      doh1304
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      Against Trump maybe.

      I prefer what I call Guaranteed Minimum Income (though Milton Freeman of all people called it “negative income tax”)  Essentially the idea is to raise the personal deduction to something like $25k and make it refundable, but leaving the rest of the tax code intact. Everyone would get income security without inflation. (With UBI your landlord will say “you’re getting $1000 a month more. Your rent just went up $700, sucker. Oh, and that $20,000 car you need to get to work is now $23,000 and your car insurance just went up $150. Enjoy that $10.99/lb ground beef.” With GMI someone in the class that can only afford $800 a month will still only be able to pay $800, but he never has to worry about being homeless, and if he wants to live in a better place he can work – if he really wants to.)

      MBI is income security without inflation,”welfare” without stigma, and the ability to decline soul destroying s*** jobs. (“You want me to sweep your floors and scrub your toilets? GMI is the same as $15 an hour. Beat that or do it yourself.”)

      UBI enslaves. The only people who benefit are people who can’t subtract. GMI changes the world, and for the better.

    • #12193
      JustSayin
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      I think your poll is missing some vital parameters. For me defeating neoliberal is critical than anything  else. Bernie is not the only progressive in the world. So for me it would be green just like 2016 and 2018 unless the dems run some nasty neoliberal like Scamala of Biden, then the repugs get my protest vote since the greens will not be able to make much difference to stop a neoliberal hack and learning from the Clinton take over I donot want to lose another 40 years

      Never expect different result by following the previous steps

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      Bluesuedeshoes
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