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    What's wrong with neoliberals, Krugman edition

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/opinion/healthcare-single-payer-children.html

    (You can use your browser’s “private” or “incognito” mode if you hit the NY Times article limit)

    So it looks like the next talking point is going to be we hate children.

    The setup:  After the collapse of the latest efforts of the Republicans to have us all die quickly, what next?

    Well, some progressives — by and large people who supported Bernie Sanders in the primaries — are already trying to revive one of his signature proposals: expanding Medicare to cover everyone. Some even want to make support for single-payer a litmus test for Democratic candidates.

    So it’s time for a little pushback. A commitment to universal health coverage — bringing in the people currently falling through Obamacare’s cracks — should definitely be a litmus test. But single-payer, while it has many virtues, isn’t the only way to get there; it would be much harder politically than its advocates acknowledge; and there are more important priorities.

    He then goes on to try and point out how the ACA could be made to work if we regulated the insurance industry like Europeans do, specifically the Dutch who have mandated private insurance, heavy insurance regulations and subsidies so that people can pay for it.  Krugman is attempting to sell this as the “realistic” path forward in the US, despite the massive resistance to making the subsidies sufficient, as well as massive resistance to insurance regulation that would actually bring costs down.

    Why’s it so important to protect Obama’s legacy….er…keep the ACA structure?  Why, to keep us enslaved to our employers.

    A far more important consideration is minimizing disruption to the 156 million people who currently get insurance through their employers, and are largely satisfied with their coverage. Moving to single-payer would mean taking away this coverage and imposing new taxes; to make it fly politically you’d have to convince most of these people both that they would save more in premiums than they pay in additional taxes, and that their new coverage would be just as good as the old.

    This might in fact be true, but it would be one heck of a hard sell.

    Apparently, Krugman can’t read any opinion polls, which show it would not be that hard a sell.

    Amusingly, Krugman even admits that there needs to be a Public Option.  Largely because it’s utterly obvious there are some pretty massive failures of the ACA.  Yet somehow this public option that Krugman believes will eventually, someday lead to single payer is not a “hard sell” in the current political environment.  Because apparently, insurance companies are simultaneously brilliant and stupid:  They provide such wonderful employer and ACA coverage, but are utterly unable to see a public option as a threat.

    But this really isn’t that surprising.  Krugman’s wandering around in the world of the comfortable.  Where employer-based insurance 1) exists, and 2) doesn’t suck.  That’s a rapidly shrinking group of people, but it does include university professors.  As someone who had the opportunity to suddenly pay thousands of dollars in unexpected medical expenses, I can assure Krugman that employer-based insurance is rapidly getting much worse for the employee.  But it’s a lovely pair of “golden handcuffs” employers can use to try and keep you from striking out on your own.

    So what’s Krugman think we should fight for instead?  Expanded family leave and free daycare.  No really.  Stop laughing, he really wrote that.  It’s really what Krugman thinks is the most pressing issue and we need to “spend our political capital” on it.

    A little lesson for Professor Krguman from those of us not blessed with tenure:  Leave gets you fired.  Oh sure, your employer can’t explicitly fire you for taking leave.  That would be against the law.  But if you take it, your performance reviews are suddenly poor.  Projects are handed to other people instead of you.  Then you’re dinged again for not leading or contributing to those projects that are no longer yours.  Then you get fired for poor performance.  No matter what your performance actually was.

    But that doesn’t happen in Krugman’s world.  Perhaps he should spend some time outside his world and find out what a $10k out-of-pocket employer plan looks like.  It’s what “good” employer-based insurance is now.  Maybe he can find out what actually happens to people who take more than the absolute minimum medically-required leave.

    And those of us who still think single payer is extremely important and one of the things we should be fighting for?  Why, we must hate children since we don’t want to give that up to fight for free daycare instead.

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    • Cassiopeia (2098 posts)
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      1. Not all of us have children either.

      Krugman is just another hack teying anything to make predatory insurance programs look like they work.

      His also never lived a day in the life of an average blue collar worker.

      The only minority we should actually fear is the wealthiest 1%
      • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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        5. Plus one!

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
    • N2Doc (3897 posts)
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      2. When Krugman went full Shillary last year I gave up on him

      He sounds like he is pushing for Ivanka’s ‘plan’. I’m sure he has no worries with his own plan, heavily subsidized by his University and besides, he makes $$$, so any out of pocket costs aren’t significant to him.

      "But nothing ever changes unless there's some pain" - Tears For Fears "Goodnight Song"
      • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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        4. Giant plus one!

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
      • Mom Cat (9778 posts)
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        8. He is a true hillshill and beholden to TPTB!

             NEVER FORGET      BERNIE WON!          
      • Colors of the Rainbow (1311 posts)
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        26. Paul Krugman may FOAD!

        That is all!

        • joentokyo (425 posts)
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          56. I second that emotion!

          “War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it.” ~ Erasmus
      • hifiguy (1645 posts)
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        58. Same here.

    • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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      3. In the Netherlands the insurance industry administers the program.

      But it is mandated that they do not profit. We know Krugman is a neoliberal. He is not on our side. He is on the side of the profiteers.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
      • jwirr (3496 posts)
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        9. Yes, in MN Blue Cross and Blue Sheild used to administer Medicaid. They took

        care of the paperwork but they did NOT make the rules.

        • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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          11. something happened to blue cross around the 80s. i wasn't engaged

          enough to know what happened, but it went from being a good program to a soul-sucking one.

    • 99Forever (2842 posts)
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      6. Another…

      …”I got mine, screw the rest of you” neoliberal hack.

      Krugman can go fuck himself with chainsaw.

      • 99thMonkey (3519 posts)
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        39. Amen!! +100

    • mmonk (1409 posts)
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      7. Fraud Krugman.

    • DoctorJ (516 posts)
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      10. Prof Krugman is Exhibit A why the party is on life support

      The ideal CNN story is a baby down a well, while the ideal Fox story is probably a baby thrown down a well by a Muslim terrorist or an ACORN activist. - Matt Taibbi, "Insane Clown President"
    • JEB (547 posts)
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      12. To hell with the insurance leeches

      and anyone who protects or supports them.

    • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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      13. Going on The Daily Radical

      Members nominated, admins approve

      Thank you for this

      Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • jeff47 (879 posts)
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        42. Thanks Mary!

        I’m honored.

        • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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          43. Thank you!

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Fire with Fire (601 posts)
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      14. He's a pundit now, not an economist

      So I guess it is just carping to point out that he is making political predictions rather than economic analysis with this:

       

       it would be much harder politically than its advocates acknowledge; and there are more important priorities.

       

      Says he, based on not much more than his presumption.

      But he does offer one datum in support of this exercise in clairvoyance:

       

      A far more important consideration is minimizing disruption to the 156 million people who currently get insurance through their employers, and are largely satisfied with their coverage.

       

      As a professional union representative who has negotiated health care coverage for tens of thousands of employees over the years, let me assure you that the percentage of workers “satisfied” with their coverage has shrunk steadily as the coverage has gotten progressively shittier year by year for decades.

      Of course our political enemies will spend a bazillion dollars lying to those 156 million people about how The Government will take away their cherished employer paid (laugh out fucking loud) health coverage, and if “we” play the politics the way Obama did in 2009-10, nobody will counter the propaganda, and yeah — it is likely that quite a few people might turn against us.

      Krugman however suggests precisely the wrong way to defend against the gale of bullshit that is certain to come from the insurance companies and Big Pharma.  Falling for the exact same trap that Hillary and Barack stepped into, he suggests tinkering around the edges of the “system,” making changes that only a wonk can understand.

      Medicare for All is easy to understand and it builds upon a popular program.  If we stick to our guns, and not let the experts like Krugman con us into compromising to get something rather than nothing — whatever we get will have the same effect as Hillary Care and Obama Care: more Republicans elected.

      Paul is neither an economist nor a political analyst.  He is a hack, enjoying the life of being semi-famous while rubbing elbows with the A List.  He is a worthless in every sense of the word.

       

       

    • Betty Karlson (3454 posts)
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      15. Speaking from the Netherlands, I think Krugman should acknowledge

      a) that the costs of Dutch healthcare were much LOWER before the current system was introduced

      b) that the rates of Dutch health care insurance were much lower when the Dutch still had a public option

      c) that Dutch health care professionals decry the current system as untenable, with way too much power of the purse wielded by just a few profit-driven companies, who create a heavy administrative burden for the professionals

      d) that the number of people avoiding check-ups and GP visits were lower when the current system was not yet into place

      e) that therefore the number of costly procedures for advanced illness was lower

      f) that the number of people becoming homeless because of mental illness was way lower (we are talking about double digit percentages here)

      g) that there is a growing number of people in financial distress beccause of late / overdue/ outstanding payments on their mandatory insurance

      h) that already one Dutch party (they have 15 in all) is advocating a return to the old system, including public option. And making that overhaul a conditio sine qua non for partaking in any coalition. With coalition negotiations stalled since March, this could become a hot item.

      "Someone hacks the DNC allowing all of America to see how the DNC operates as one of the most corrupt political machines in national history. Ergo, Hillary Clinton should be installed as President by judicial fiat. And if you do not agree to this scheme you deserve to be brought up on charges of treason because fascism." - NUGrrl, december 2016 “Once a person has been determined to be an UNTRUSTWORTHY LIAR, their pretend stances on important issues are simply not relevant to rational discussion.” – Ida Briggs, September 2016
      • GloriaMundi (575 posts)
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        38. Wow, you should send that as a reply to his column…

        …it seems very relevant to his suggestion that we should emulate their system instead of single payer.

      • 99thMonkey (3519 posts)
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        40. I agree with GloriaM. Paul K needs to read your "on the ground" report

        from someone who knows how lame & misleading his abysmal “analysis” is.

        Thank you for posting this:

      • joentokyo (425 posts)
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        54. Apparently, Krugman can’t read any opinion polls, which show it would not be

        that hard a sell.

        Krugman is not talking about selling singlepayer to the public, or voters. They don’t count. He means it cannot be sold to our corporate overlords who control opinion and politics in the U. S. A.

        “War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it.” ~ Erasmus
    • NJOCK (455 posts)
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      16. Another person I used to read all the time

      and then he went full throttle propaganda for the want to be queen Shillary. He is such a disgusting, see through hack.

      “The first revolution is when you change your mind about how you look at things, and see there might be another way to look at it that you have not been shown. What you see later on is the results of that, but that revolution, that change that takes place will not be televised.” -Gil Scott-Heron
      • Populist Prole (606 posts)
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        18. Boy, is he ever!

        A hack, that is. Constantly bashed Bernie and shilled for “her”, but it’s so much more.

        I used to read him a lot too. He became a raging neoliberal jerkweed from the primaries onward. Seemed like not a day went by that he didn’t spew out some vile screed trashing populists, and populism, while cheerily chirping the praises of third-way maggots.

        I’m beyond done with him.

      • beltanefauve (278 posts)
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        45. I think Krugman

        like Robert Reich and many others, was expecting a big payoff or a cabinet position from the “inevitable ” HRC administration.

    • Flygirl (2757 posts)
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      17. Krugman needs to go away and STFU! He is a lying hypocrite!!

      Fox showed I think it was yesterday articles by Krugman in 2008 ..and how far he has flip flopped on everything he was saying then….to the total opposite he is saying today…what a piece of shit he is!!

      According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
    • SurrealAmerican (780 posts)
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      19. It is frustrating when people like him …

      … who are smart enough to know better, resort to pushing propaganda like this.

    • Fawke Em (3742 posts)
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      20. I just Tweeted this to him.

          
      • Jefferson23 (5359 posts)
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        32. Good for you!

      • 99thMonkey (3519 posts)
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        41. Nice work FawkEm!

    • Dragonfli (1137 posts)
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      21. There is a Difference between Insurance and Health Care

      I am fond of saying we need “Health Assurance not Insurancefor a reason, insurance companies provide no care whatsoever, have killed my wife and are responsible for the suffering, maiming and even manslaughter of thousands each month if not each day.

      This publication is from around 2007, but the tactics remain the same or have evolved to work around, not with, new regulations! In a country where Insurance companies can purchase politicians like pokemon toys the Dutch approach is but a cruel joke and Krugman fucking knows it! 

      From “Insurance Tactics” put out by The American Association for Justice

      Executive Summary

      The U.S. insurance industry has trillions of dollars in assets, enjoys average profits of over $30 billion a year, and pays its CEOs more than any other industry. But insurance companies still engage in dirty tricks and unethical behavior to boost their bottom line even further. The current economic turmoil affecting the insurance industry on Wall Street has only made the outlook bleaker for consumers living on Main Street. Insurance companies are likely to demand huge rate hikes and refuse more claims than ever. Some of America’s most well-known insurance companies—the same ones that spend billions on advertising to earn your trust—have endeavored to deny claims, delay payments, confuse consumers with incomprehensible insurance-speak, and retroactively refuse anyone who may cost them money. This report describes some of the most egregious ways the insurance industry attempts to make money at the expense of consumers. These are some of the tricks of the trade:

      Denying Claims
      Some of the nation’s biggest insurance companies—Allstate, AIG, and State Farm among others—have denied valid claims in an attempt to boost their bottom lines. These companies have rewarded employees who successfully denied claims, replaced employees who would not, and when all else failed, engaged in outright fraud to avoid paying claims.

      Delaying Until Death
      Many insurance companies routinely delay claims, knowing full well that many policyholders will simply give up. Some have gone so far as to lock paperwork away in safes. Undoubtedly, the most shameful use of delay tactics has been by long-term care insurers, who often take advantage of their policyholders’ age and ill health. In the words of one regulator, “the bottom line is that insurance companies make money when they don’t pay claims…They’ll do anything to avoid paying, because if they wait long enough, they know the policyholders will die.

      Confusing Consumers
      Insurance contracts are some of the most dense and incomprehensible contracts a consumer is ever likely to see. More than half of all states have enacted “plain English” laws for consumer contracts, yet many Americans still do not fully understand the risks they are subject to. After Hurricane Katrina, insurance companies used obscure “anti-concurrent” clauses to get out of paying claims. Consumers who purchased hurricane insurance and thought they were covered suddenly found the coverage eliminated by an obscure clause they could not hope to understand.

      Discriminating by Credit Score
      Increasingly, insurance companies are using credit reports to dictate the premiums consumers pay, or whether they can even get insurance in the first place. The practice penalizes the poor, senior citizens with little credit, and those who have suffered financial crisis through no fault of their own. Insurance companies have denied fiscally responsible people who paid their bills in cash, but refused renewals because of a lack of credit history. Others have seen auto rate hikes near 600 percent despite clean driving records after falling on economic troubles.

      Each of the above is explained in far more detail in the linked PDF above

      “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

        

      • Peace Patriot (2097 posts)
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        36. Thank you, Dragonfli! Very informative!

        Krugman cites a for-profit program that is NOT working – the Dutch program – and utterly ignores all the non-profit programs that ARE working and working very well, in Israel (!), beneficiary of billions of our tax dollars, in Russia (!) whom “we” now hate, in Norway, in Sweden, in Denmark, in Canada, in France, in Germany – indeed, in every other civilized country on earth!

        Ignores it all – and urges the Democratic corporatists, who have NO political capital to spend – who have lost election after election, a thousand public offices overall – to utterly waste their time, their precious donor solicitation time, on yet another failed policy!  There seem to be malevolent forces, Krugman among them, out to completely destroy the Democratic Party.  I really gotta wonder if that is what is going on.  The enemies WITHIN.

        • Dragonfli (1137 posts)
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          37. "The enemies WITHIN" well recognized PP! I have yet to decide if they classify

          as a cancer, or a virus, but they infect a host (the most discussed here being the Democratic party) take over the body cell by cell (or pol by pol) and spread uncontrolled to any healthy cell they connect with, the medium of infection is simple avarice, but it is a most effective medium.

          I personally believe the Dems are in the equivalent of stage 4 and beyond hope of cure (others disagree and I wish them only good fortune as they endeavor to reclaim the party, I would rejoice at a successful cure and consider those that hold that unlikely hope, allies, not enemies).

          My deeper fear is that “The enemies WITHIN” would begin to infect any party, and with such a successful medium for infection, any party, even one that starts well and does well for the actual people, even for decades, might eventually suffer the same fate as the Democrats have, therefore no matter the form of the revolution, we must be ever diligent against an enemy that never sleeps and never runs out of money.

          This disease is killing not only the future happiness of all our children, it threatens to kill the biosphere that supports life in the process.

          It is a most deadly infection.


          Edited to add:

          Having read Betty Karlson’s post above, I am just realizing how much of a disaster the Dutch model has actually become, I had thought they had very strict regulations in place against the insurance leeches, but they appear to have lost control to the detriment of the people, just think how poorly our government at it’s very best would regulate the bastards considering bribery is far more legal here than there, it only proves the point that such an approach is doomed to failure in the US.

          “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

            

      • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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        49. Excellent post, Dragonfli! (one of many)

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
      • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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        50. Excellent post, Dragonfli! (one of many)

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
      • hifiguy (1645 posts)
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        59. Just a symptom.

        The disease – capitalism – rolls merrily on.

    • MistaP (5668 posts)
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      22. the thing is, Krugman's points are bad for the employER as well as -ee

      since neoliberalism is the old imperialism applied domestically, it consumes rather than benefits the bourgeoisie

      http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
      • Dragonfli (1137 posts)
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        23. I'd always thought it was applied globally with an attenuated internal version

        that applied only to the workers whilst vaccinating the bourgeoisie.

        Perhaps I should rethink my understanding of the neoliberal dynamic both as applied externally and internally.

        “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

          

        • MistaP (5668 posts)
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          24. or, perhaps, different speeds

          I mean the derivatives do do their alchemical multiplication in the electronic accounts of banks in NYC and London, and there is a “rentier” class that lives off investments and mortgages

          http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
    • Lorien (1336 posts)
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      25. As a university professor myself, I can tell you, most of us

      are without any benefits now because we’ve been made adjuncts. The pool of those who still get benefits-and a living wage-is rapidly shrinking. The entire system is completely unsustainable. We need single payer, guaranteed basic income, free public colleges, renewable energy public works projects, a massive reduction in military spending, Eisenhower era taxes on the mega-wealthy (effectively a “maximum wage”), and to get most of these we need, of course, strong unions, free and fair elections, and a return of the Fairness Doctrine and de-monopolization of the media. But how we achieve this without a bloody revolution? That’s the REAL ten trillion dollar question.

      • Jefferson23 (5359 posts)
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        28. Good post…we're up against people like Krugman, using his place

        in society as a reasonable mind…but he is not.

      • Dragonfli (1137 posts)
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        29. You've perfectly listed the needed remedies – were I in normal character,

        I would try to offer a perspective of encouragement, hope, a reply intended to rally the troops and invigorate with optimism and hope.

        Unfortunately there is nothing normal about the country, or even the world we find ourselves in at present. I am short on hope, optimism, and can offer no form of encouragement which I would believe myself and so refuse to insult my peers with empty platitudes or false hope, for deceit is still not part of my skillset.

        Quite frankly I am beyond disillusioned and fear things have gone too far for my dream of a peaceful political revolution to work, a fine dream it was, consisting of unity of purpose devoid of the petty divisions imposed on us by our masters who use many “isms” to divide and conquer us by pitting one set of poor serfs against the other over minor superficial differences.

        I can think of no way to take that trillion dollar prize today as the answer to the question not only eludes me, I fear no such answer even exists anymore.

        The cancer has spread too deep. The “cure” as with all aggressive cancers has little hope of success and may be so toxic it will kill the patient as well as the mutated cells destroying the body.

        Forgive the painfully frank response, but it feels like the truth.

        “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

          

      • hifiguy (1645 posts)
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        60. Bravo and a big second to every bit of that!

        :clap:

      • The Crone (3157 posts)
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        61. Yep many of those who are teaching at college or

        University levels are getting far less than what their counterparts made a few decades ago.

        But Krugman as a toady for the Clintons and for NAFTA, is not a normal person, and I am sure he gets the best of what the academic world has to offer.

        You might enjoy this remark: on some Law and Order episode, a professor was killed. And one of the investigating homicide detectives remarked, as he uncovered how many enemies the head of a department had: “Ah academia, Where never before have the few fought so hard over so little.”

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        • Fire with Fire (601 posts)
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          62. That's a variation on an old academia joke:

          “Faculty politics are so vicious because the stakes are so low.”

           

          And while I’m at it:

          “Sure it works in reality.  But will it work in theory?”

           

          • The Crone (3157 posts)
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            63. Thanks for the info.

            And a hearty LOL at the “reality vs theory” remark.

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    • Jefferson23 (5359 posts)
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      27. What a shame, he shills with the worst of them. ugh

    • Blackspade (2694 posts)
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      30. I quit reading Krugman years ago..

      when he first started spouting the neoliberal economic bullshit.

       

    • Iwillnevergiveup (549 posts)
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      31. Last paragraph

      in that Krugman OpEd – something HRC might have penned.

       

      “I have nothing against single-payer; it’s what I’d support if we were starting fresh.  But we aren’t.  Getting there from here would be very hard, and might not accomplish much more than a more modest, incremental approach.  Even idealists need to set priorities, and Medicare-for-all shouldn’t be at the top of the list.”

       

      So, Mr. Krugman, who insures you?

      "Tyrants don't care if you believe them, they just want you to succumb to doubt." Peter Maass
      • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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        34. did he say what SHOULD be at the top of the list? peace in our time maybe?

        Why we can’t wait you asshole; waited for 30 years and things just kept getting worse

        • jeff47 (879 posts)
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          44. Expanded family leave and free daycare/preschool.

          He spent a paragraph on it.

          And lots of paragraphs on how fighting for single payer is wrong.

          • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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            47. expanded family leave — what a joke. who gets family leave in the first

            place but people who work for bigger businesses and corporations and institutions (e.g. universities)

            the lowers and a lot of the middles don’t get family leave except unpaid.  and for the lowers, you can usually kiss your job goodbye if you want to take family time. even unpaid.

            • jeff47 (879 posts)
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              48. His plan is to require paid leave for the "lowers" too.

              But yes, he still ignores that leave gets you fired, even when its required by law.

    • ZimInSeattle (1152 posts)
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      33. Krugman went the way of Maddow long ago. Now just another neo-loser.

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      • Coldmountaintrail (989 posts)
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        46. I watched her tonight – she gets worse and worse — flighty hand gestures,

        run-on sentences, makes me nervous.

        I liked her better when she made drinks (though i thought that was pretty twee) — at least she seemed relaxed.

        She gives me the impression of a tweaker these days.

        Whoring for big bucks takes its toll.

    • MrMickeysMom (1498 posts)
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      35. You're a little late there, Paul… aren't you?

      Of course, you stand to get some media attention, so pretend away, you opportunist poser.

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    • AmandaMatthews (69 posts)
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      51. So says the discredited old Keneysian hack.

    • dlegendary1 (948 posts)
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      52. Krugman's an asshole

      People who work at McDonald’s can’t even afford health insurance, let alone getting sick. This guy has the same problem the Dems seem to have: reality is what they perceive, not what it actually is.

    • Ejbr (7 posts)
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      53. I work at a large for-profit insurance company

      And the plan I work with is considered one of the best. Yet, the horror stories I hear about denied services for needed care, tens of thousands in costs due to members not being able to find in network doctors, and the time and effort that everyday people have to invest to sort out their care (while other “first” world nations citizens  don’t have to) is beyond frustrating.

      When callers complain, all I can do is say “single-payer” to myself as if that mantra can relieve me of the nonsense that is our healthcare system. It has to be changed even at the cost of my job

      • mrdmk (336 posts)
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        55. Welcome to JPR

        :welcome:

      • The Crone (3157 posts)
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        64. Here's hoping you can somehow network yourself

        Into a less frustrating situation. That job has to leave you on your last nerve a lot of the time.

        And a big welcome to JPR.

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    • coderEmeritus (338 posts)
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      57. I'