What's your level of contempt for the dem party?

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    • #300902
      Bernin4U
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      We were asking ourselves this four years ago. Then suddenly Cenk, Kyle, and Bernie himself formed Justice Democrats and Our Revolution. They got some legit progressives elected and kept our hopes of “change within” alive. And quite possibly saved the party itself. No doubt the irony in that is all but lost.

      But now? I don’t see it happening again. Lucy has pulled the football away once too many times. The idea of voting even for down ballot Dems who seem to not completely suck is suddenly a struggle. (Just like I really wanted a new corvette, as they’re a great value, but then decided against it, as I’m trying to be done with gas cars.)

      Et tu?

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    • #300907
      ThouArtThat
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      @bernin4u

      Hi b4u,

      DemExit 2004.  That should answer the question posed.

      TAT

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      - Robert Louis Stevenson

      Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex.

      - Frank Zappa

    • #300908
      rampart
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      the republicans rate the 10 for “most contemptible party since the know nothings.” but the democrats are a close 9.

    • #300910
      MistaP
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      dig up the grave, piss in is empty sockets

    • #300911
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I don’t plan on voting for any Democrats on the ballot this year, all the way down to state representative and county council. This is a first. I’ve always voted for at least some downticket Dems before, even when I voted Socialist or Green at the top.

      The party has disgusted me so much I don’t want to be affiliated with them in any way, shape, or form now. They are utterly, hopelessly corrupt, and serve my class enemies. All of them, unless proven otherwise.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

      • #300944
        Enthusiast
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        Yes, indeed, hopelessly corrupt.

        Did they think we wouldn’t notice?

        I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

        Me

      • #300959
        Haikugal
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        Pretty much expresses my thought process…I will vote for Bernie and then leave (again) and choose where to go from there. I’m not sure where I’ll go but I’ll be gone.

        I just had a heated discussion with my ex about not voting for Biden and he started vote blaming my son and I for not voting for blue no matter who because ‘Trump’…nothing I said made a dent in his thick hard head. I’m beyond caring anymore, fuck those people. Who the hell do they think they are that they will vote shame and American citizen for voting their conscience on policy?? Fuck them!!

        This is a movement and while a lot of people aren’t ready there are millions who are. Remember that, we are NOT alone in this.

        As far as a good deal…I bought a 1995 Honda Accord 4 cylinder in damned good condition for $1,500 and it’s doing me great service… until E-Cars price is reasonable I’ll drive my little Honda.

         

         

        The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.

      • #300999
        roody
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        My congressperson, Jared Huffman, endorsed Biden on April fools day.  His district favored Bernie.  I will vote against Huffman from now on.  I told him so on his Facebook endorsement and in an email.  He must have gotten a lot of comments.  The endorsement is no longer on his Facebook page.

    • #300917
      Hobbit709
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      That’s about where I am with the Corporate Fellating  Party Leadership.

      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

    • #300926
      N2Doc
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    • #300927
      MizzGrizz
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      Sickened,disgusted,nauseated…

    • #300934
      Earthartist
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    • #300940
      Enthusiast
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      Leading up to the start of the primary I expressed my disgust with the unethical behavior of the Democratic Party establishment every chance I got. Even with millions of us expressing our concerns they only ramped up their unscrupulous behavior and continued to spit in our face. Well fuck the Democratic Party! I mean that from deep in my heart.

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

      Me

    • #300946
      leftcoast mountains
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      I’m done.

      vote for nobody

    • #300949
      retired liberal
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      Outright lied to us, he did.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.

    • #300950
      Red Cloud
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      I did not expect anything from them. They allowed Mitch to throw trillions at the Super wealthy without even shaming him. When the idiot from Nevada, Hairy Read “ran” the Senate, all he had to do was say, “Sorry Mitch. No 60 vote majority for you. We need to get lots of stuff done.” And we would have infrastructure at the very least. But he wanted to be a gentleman with Mitch and got very little done.

      So expecting nothing, they did not disappoint. Hillary showed we are not welcome there.

    • #300952
      Homer Ramone
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      “Starting at $58,900”?

      • #300987
        Bernin4U
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        @homerramone

        with cars costing 4x that much. And GM is said to claim it must be optioned to $80K for them to break even.

        My choice in a toy however, is looking more likely to be something like a 356 replica with an EV drivetrain.

         

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      • #301132
        B Calm
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    • #300953
      Satan
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      I’m at 666.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #300964
      elias39
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      I’m not a fool. Fuck Pelosi and Schumer and most of the rest. I feel bad for AOC. She has to be under enormous pressure…if you want to be in the Club, you have to shut your mouth and go along. This country is finished.

    • #300970
      incognito
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    • #300971
      bazukhov
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      Less than my contempt for Trump and his followers.

      More than my contempt for Jell-O which it resembles.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

    • #300974
      MikeW285
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      DimExit’ed in 2008, and promptly registered Unaffiliated here in North Carolina. Outright stealing against Bernie of 2016 democrat primary, and again now in 2020 have only made me more happy with my choice to dim-exit back then.

    • #300986
      Rocky
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      The only reason I will even open the ballot envelope instead of tossing it in the recycling bin is to vote for Jay Inslee. He’s done an excellent job handling the Covid-19 crisis in our state and he is a leader in the fight against climate change. The only square I will fill in for him as governor. Screw the rest of them.

      “I wouldn't be a grumpy old man if people would stop pissin' me off"

    • #300994
      sadoldgirl
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      some issues to fool the people into division. That’s how the oligarchy

      likes to pretend that one has choices.

    • #300997
      chknltl
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      One listens to one news channel exclusively, the other listens to another news channel exclusively.

      Both channels purvey propaganda.

      The funny thing is, both sides see their “opponents” as stupid.

      The reality is, well as I see it at any rate, both sides are equally propagandized.

      I do not see being propagandized as being stupid.

      Anyone from the high school drop-out to the college professer with multiple PHDs can be propagandized.

      So to me, supporters of the Democratic Party and supporters of the Republican Party are two sides of the same coin.

      IMHO,  the Parties they support are also two sides of the same coin. Both Parties work together to equally bilk the citizenry.

      They do this because that is how the system works right now. They are paid to act like this.

      The way I see it is this is all just a show.

      The Democrats get a little power, they do nothing until the Republicans gain enough powe to block anything the Dems might have wanted to do.

      The Republicans gain power and do nothing again but scream bloody murder when Pelosi takes over the House and goes into all those investigations.

      Back and forth…back and forth…nothing good for the citizenry comes from it.

      To sum up: The corporatist pay the Parties to do their bidding. The Parties do the corporartists bidding while putting up this “show” called partisan politicking. The media separates the citizenry into two major factions, each faction believing that the other Party is blocking the Party they support from getting stuff done.

      In the end, the blame amongst the citizenry is directed at each other, not at their politcal leaders.

      So, my answer to the question of how high is the level of contempt for the Democratic Party is that it is no higher or no lower than my level of contempt for the Republican Party.

      They are two sides of the same coin. These Parties are doing what they are paid to do. Until We The People rally to take back our government, I do not see anything changing.

      One other observation that I feel may be important, obviously a corporation is not a person. OTOH, and perhaps despite the best wishes of the corporation’s owners, it does feed…in a strange sense doesn’t that does make it alive?

      Sometimes when I see a corporation as a living breathing entity like that…and then I aply this concept to all the tangled multi-national corporations that have their tenticals in our political system….well I see that as the sick root of our problem.

      Just my opinion

       

      • #301025
        Bernin4U
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        @chknltl

        a (perhaps somewhat lazy?) way of saying someone isn’t proficient or well-informed in a given area. Nobody can an expert on the majority of things, therefore it can be said everybody is stupid in most ways. Someone could be, say, a champion chess player, but will they have the basic survival skills of the typical rural teenager from a thousand years ago? Seems likely, either will probably see the other as extremely stupid within their own context.

        And for sure, Faux spends all day teaching their viewers how awful the dems are, while Demsm spends all day doing the same to the Repubs. Completely by design, to keep us divided. Which of course has always been Bernie’s message, that “left and right” have far more in common than “top and bottom” do.

        It’s also why “fixing” the Dem party no longer seems the least bit realistic. Time to move on.

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    • #300998
      doh1304
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      OB – I demexited in 1997

      Satan – I was going to say how high my level of contempt was, but if I beat yours it would have just looked like envy.

      As for all of those saying things like “just a little less than the Republicans – you’ve got it wrong. The Rs are like a gang in a housing project, dangerous but understandable. Keep your head down. The Democrats are like a Stalinist dictatorship – every second you are a possible victim, no matter what you do. Be white and you’re an oppressor – up against the wall! Be colored and you’re a superpredator. Be a  worker and you’re a slave. Be undocumented and you’re a charity and a resource to keep wages down for the slaveholders. Be old and you’re a tool to be discarded after the election. Republicans have to be defeated, Democrats have to be exterminated – and first.

    • #301006
      Zopilote
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      than my contempt for the republicans.

    • #301016
      chknltl
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      I detailed my thoughts in a lengthy response above but for those who need short-n-sweet answers. My level of contempt for both Parties is equal. They both are equally currently tasked to do the biddings of those I disagree with. Neither Party supports the citizenry.   I do not support either Party.

    • #301018
      a little weird
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      It’s almost the same as my contempt for the republican party.

      I will take each race as it comes.  I may occasionally vote for progressive democrats that I think are really trying to do the right thing, but I’ll vote Green or other third party whenever possible to try and break the hold of the toxic two party system.  There may even be a few, rare times that I will vote for the lesser of two evils (my hatred of Mitch McConnell may compel me to do that this time), but that will not be my default position.

    • #301053
      mmonk
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      10 out of 10. Many Americans are desperate these days.

      Fear not the path of Truth for the lack of People walking on it. - RFK

    • #301073
      sonofspy777
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      I rate my contempt as a 15

      Bernie figured he could do more good ALIVE,
      than dead in a small plane "accident".
      I think he's right.

      Don't you?

    • #301082
      djean111
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      so my contempt is boundless and any chance of my supporting them or any of their Vichy Dems  vanished quite a long time ago.

    • #301095
      Fugitive Birdie
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      … is to divide the left along class and ethnicity lines and to ensure a Republican or Republican Lite (D) will win.

      The Trump derangement syndrome they have been stoking for four years was only to promote fear so they can better control the voters.

      I have lost a number of friends in the rust belt who would have voted for Bernie in 2016, but now see Progressives as dups to lure them into the hands of Globalists.

    • #301105
      ravensong
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      there are probably no words, or combinations of words, in any language, that describe for the feelings I have toward the democratic party

      Maybe somewhere in an H.P. Lovecraft novel

      When Biden unveiled his insulting, pathetically lame corporate created plan for lowering the Medicare age to 60, smack dab in the middle of a deadly pandemic, it became perfectly clear, the degree to which the dem party is fully owned and operated by sociopathic wealthy individuals and soulless, inhuman corporations, whose all consuming greed, lack of integrity, and traitorous depravity has sucked the last vestiges of honor, compassion and humanity out of their being.

      Not quite as bad as republicans, but they’ll get there, given time to move further to the right.

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

      • #301172
        Maedhros
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        “They were not altogether crows, nor moles, nor buzzards, nor ants, nor vampire bats, nor decomposed human beings; but something I cannot and must not recall. They flopped limply along, half with their webbed feet and half with their membraneous wings; and as they reached the throng of celebrants the cowled figures seized and mounted them, and rode off one by one along the reaches of that unlighted river, into pits and galleries of panic where poison springs feed frightful and undiscoverable cataracts.”

        His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
        but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
        and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
        more deadly than his right had been.

        • #301313
          ravensong
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          That’s Mitch McConnell.

          But thanks for the Lovecraft quote, it’s real close to that which should not be described.

          “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

          The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
          ~ Unknown

    • #301108
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @ravensong

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #301121
      GloriaMundi
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      My level of contempt for the party is so high it is off the charts.  No way can I vote for Biden when we could have had Bernie.  In over 50 years of watching politics, never have I seen the Democratic Party come together so smoothly, so effortlessly and so effectively as when they decided they had to stop Bernie at all costs.  Where the hell was that party when the Iraq invasion happened, when the Bush tax cuts happened, when the public option got axed, when the Trump tax cuts happened… you get the picture.  They always appear so… inept, whenever it’s time to fight for things that would help us little people.  But when it comes time to fight for things that help the wealthy and the multinational corporations, they’re all over it.

      As far as I’m concerned, the sooner the Democratic Party dies the better.  I say this with a heavy heart, but the party has shown it will never return to its roots as a predominantly working class party.  That leaves a huge vacuum that right at this very moment is sucking white working class voters over to the Republican Party, who in reality are their sworn enemy but who know how to play on their insecurities — while promoting policies that keep them insecure, of course.  And of course this has the added side benefit of keeping the working class divided along racial lines.  Win-win, for the Republican Party anyway.  In the meantime, the Democratic Party has totally abdicated the working class of all races in favor of identity politics and virtue signaling, and has left the rest of us — the poor, the working class and the middle class — to fend for ourselves.  They wring their hands and claim to be powerless.  Well we just had a demonstration of how powerful they are when it’s something they care about.  And in doing so they have also shown us just what it is they care about, in their collective gut:  maintaining the status quo that enriches them, at all costs.  Amazing to me that this is what drives them but it brings to mind this saying:  When someone shows you who they are, believe them.  (Maya Angelou)  So they have shown me who they are, and I believe them.  Not my party.

    • #301125
      Utopian Leftist
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      Orwell was right: the people are no longer victims of our government: they have become accomplices.

      In my heart I’m doing something I swore I would not do again. I’ve given up on politics altogether and started to wish nastier things.

      Praying for the end of this two-party insanity, even if DEATH is the only remaining, untried solution!

      May TRUTH and JUSTICE prevail . . . at any cost!

      "All fascism is a result of a failure of the left to provide a viable alternative." ~ Trotsky

    • #301158
      xloadiex
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      The only Dem I’ll be voting for is Marie Newman here in Il 03. Though she will sail through without my help. Other than that I’m going green or writing in Bernie. Nobody else interests me.  Like Jill said, the republicans stab you in the front and the Dems stab you in the back. They’re all in the same group.

    • #301167
      MissDeeds
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      I left the party after they screwed Bernie the first time. I come from a long, long line of Democrats. My great aunt was good friends with Truman’s sister, so much so they used to have tea at each others homes. My family has given tens of thousands to Democratic candidates over the years, championed Democratic causes and attended more rallies, primaries and conventions than I care to count. Furthermore, my husband was a legislative recruiter for the Democratic Party.

      At first I was heartbroken by their steady decline of ethics, but now I am angry, really, really angry. I wrote so many heated responses to their appeals for donations they finally took me off their many mailing lists. Perhaps one of the best responses was written by a friend who simply wrote “Rot in Hell” and sent it back in their postage paid envelope. He posted a picture of it on Facebook. It was a thing of beauty.

    • #301185
      Bluesuedeshoes
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    • #301202
      not4sale
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      They prey on us and this pandemic is showing everyone how.  “Here’s your $1200 bucks if you qualify, vote for our chosen molester with dementia while we scheme about how to take everything from you”.

    • #301221
      tularetom
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      Their presumptive candidate may be an incompetent amiable buffoon, but he’s nowhere near the same league of unimaginable evil as the slimy bitch they tried to palm off on us the last time.

      Sure, Joe will undoubtedly fuck everything up, but I can’t remember when we had a president who didn’t.

      And I’m 78 years old.

    • #301434
      QuietYooper
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      I don’t contempt much in life but yes the DNC is top of the list. But the whole system is contemptible nobody has a monopoly. I do not mean just parties but each Branch too. I need to focus on local stuff that I can actually have an impact on. State, County, Township. I always liked Lucy but need to avoid her for a while.

    • #301554
      mrdmk
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      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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