White House: Russia prepping pretext for Ukraine invasion

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    • #465857
      Ohio Barbarian
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      WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. intelligence officials have determined a Russian effort is underway to create a pretext for its troops to further invade Ukraine, and Moscow has already prepositioned operatives to conduct “a false-flag operation” in eastern Ukraine, according to the White House.

      White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Friday the intelligence findings show Russia is also laying the groundwork through a social media disinformation campaign that frames Ukraine as an aggressor that has been preparing an imminent attack against Russian-backed forces in eastern Ukraine.

      Psaki charged that Russia has already dispatched operatives trained in urban warfare who could use explosives to carry out acts of sabotage against Russia’s own proxy forces — blaming the acts on Ukraine — if Russian President Vladimir Putin decides he wants to move forward with an invasion.

      “We are concerned that the Russian government is preparing for an invasion in Ukraine that may result in widespread human rights violations and war crimes should diplomacy fail to meet their objectives,” Psaki said.

      Full story here.

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    • #465858
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      • #465861
        Ohio Barbarian
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        But NATO wouldn’t agree to never admit Ukraine. It is possible that was the last straw for Russia. We shall see.

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    • #465859
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      Maybe that’d make the life better for most Ukrainians – if they don’t stop in Lugansk and Donetsk.

      Of course, Russia has already responded – see https://www.rt.com/russia/546095-kremlin-false-flag-ukraine/ .

      • #465973
        eridani
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        Putin is in deep shit if he doesn’t protect Russian speakers, but the rest of Ukraine is much too big.

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    • #465863
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      well, Ukraine has already committed them.

      If you have the stomach for it, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_situation_during_the_war_in_Donbas . It is NOT a pleasant read.

      This is an apartment building being shelled in Lugansk.

      • #465868
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        Remember how they all howled when Biden withdrew from Afghanistan because of the poor Afghan women? Now, millions of Afghan women are fucking starving because the US froze Afghan assets, at least $8 billion worth, but you don’t hear them calling for Biden to unfreeze those assets, now do you?

        They’ll howl about Ukrainian human rights every bit as long as it is convenient, and potentially profitable, for them to do so. But they don’t give a shit about Ukrainians any more than they do about the American working class.

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        • #465873
          jbnw
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          And American memory, especially American media memory, is very selective.

    • #465867
      HassleCat
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      Weapons of Mass Destruction.

      • #465874
        jbnw
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        I think you’ll have to expand that idea 😉

    • #465872
      GZeusH
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      (me) smell a rat, in the form of more American meddling.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

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    • #465876
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      Such brazen, deceitful propaganda. They’re definitely depending on the cluelessness of the general public to advance this nonsense. The AP is citing the “Washington-based Wilson Center” as if it is some kind of independent outfit, but which was actually chartered and is funded by the US Congress.

      • #465880
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        I’m thinking the Russians may feel they have no choice but to invade Ukraine since the US and NATO refused to agree to never admit Ukraine into NATO. Given their history, it’s no wonder the Russians want to make sure to have friendly, or at least harmless, regimes on their borders.

        We’ll see what happens. If Russia does invade, the question will be whether or not Biden and that pack of imperialist warmongers around him decide to do in response. I don’t think their own military will allow a direct military confrontation between American and Russian forces as there really is a deal between the two country’s armed forces designed to prevent that, for thermonuclearly obvious reasons. But they may encourage guerrilla warfare or “volunteers” from some Eastern European countries to go fight for Ukrainian “freedom.”

        I don’t think a potential war with Russia would be very popular with the American public right now, either. If Biden tries it, it literally could be the trigger for a real revolution in this country, because his own military would buck as well. But Biden’s demented, and the people around him are sociopaths. So who knows?

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          Oh, I agree that Russia might feel like they need to invade Ukraine sooner or later. In fact, I think they will eventually have no choice, and that it will be Washington  and Brussels that will provoke the action with false flags and such.

          It’s the general narrative I have a problem with, that casts Russia as the aggressor, when it has been obvious to a serious observer for a couple of decades now, that Russia has simply been reacting to the expansion of a hostile military alliance.

        • #465890
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          Kyiv has isolated and attacked eastern Ukraine for eight years now with continued US support, escalated by Joe Biden with military armaments since he came into office. As neither Poroshenko nor Zelenskyy have done anything to implement the peace process in the Minsk protocol, and Biden has pushed for war over peace, as he did as the point man for Ukraine under Obama, there are now over half a million Ukrainian citizens in Donbass who have accepted Russian citizenship.

          Russia will protect its citizens if necessary.

          • #465913
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            If Poppy Bush’s promise to Gorbachev that NATO would not expand eastwards had been kept. If the imperialists in Washington and Berlin had not instigated the coup that put neo-Fascists in power in Ukraine. If the Democrats hadn’t launched a Third Red Russia Scare in order to distract attention from their abysmal presidential candidate in 2016, if Zelensky had honored the Minsk accords or had stopped the repression of Russian-speakers in the name of Ukrainian nationalism…there are probably more ifs, any one of which could have prevented this situation from coming to pass.

            Instead, both the crazy Ukrainian nationalists and the imperialist American government have kept right on poking the Russian bear and backing Putin into a corner where he has to make a choice between submission and striking back. If Putin did submit, how long could he remain in power? My guess is not long, and it should be obvious, especially to people who received the best education in the Ivy League that money could buy.

            Even Otto von Bismarck would never have done what several American presidents in a row have done. But Bismarck was smart, so there you go.

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    • #465882
      sadoldgirl
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      The usual projection. Who has been using “false flag operations”?

      Was it not also the CIA training Ukrainians for warfare?

      Actually Russia can afford to wait unless the US transports missiles

      close to the Donbass. The way I read it 60% of Ukrainians are already

      living in poverty and Gazprom could just reduce the amount of gas

      passing through. There would be enough reason for the population

      to rebel against its government.

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      My feeling is nothing going to happen until then or a little latter. It would not surprise me if the Russian and Chinese craft a joint statement (ultimatum) on what is going to be done about the behavior of the Western Nations. If both, Russia and China shutdown trade, shortages will be felt immediately both in the U.S.A. and Europe, and also in many other countries like Australia.

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