Who or What killed civility in American politics, and When?

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    • #331605
      kelly
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    • #331610
      MizzGrizz
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      Nixon demonized his opponents,slandered them as unpatriotic and more.He’d been doing that since his first Congressional run,and when he got to be president he felt he had a license to do it.

      When Rush Limbaugh and those like him took to the airwaves,they just followed the road Tricky Dick built and constructed basically what we have now,where absolutely everything is a culture war.

      It was basically a way to silence forever any opponent of Big Business,which was beginning its counterrevolution at that time,with the Powell Memo and the stomping of McGovern.

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      N2Doc
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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Charles_Sumner

      We haven’t quite regressed to the days of attacks on the Senate floor. yet.

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      xyzse
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      I mean, it’s already bad before that, but Newt definitely changed the dynamics during his speakership in regards to the way they campaign.

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      MizzGrizz
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      ..clubbed Sumner,a lot of Southerners sent him canes.

    • #331644
      kelly
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      that was a bit of a watershed overcoming racial sensitivity and reinvigorating gut level racism as a post civil rights tool in the kit.

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      not4sale
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      The Bush admin decided to call all democrats “traitors” and came up with the slogan “with us or against us”.  The Rs in my state all followed suit like good Nazis and started calling Ds traitors.  In my mixed neighborhood of half Ds and half Rs the Rs all instantly stopped talking to all us Ds, literally stopped talking, waving or acknowledging our existence.  It’s been the same ever since.

      In 2003, Rs decided to support torture and WMD lies, finalizing their descent into the abyss of irredeemable crimes against humanity.

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      incognito
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      Right wing radio that started in the 80s and Fox News propaganda network.

      Newt Gingrich

      Rush Limpballs

      Bill O’lielly

      Sean Insanity

      Fucker Carlson

      Michael Savage

      Glenn Beck

      and their ilk.

      That’s when it got extremely bad. Their endless “Libruuuul” hatred during drive time radio. Plus, RW Billionaires snatched up every radio station they could to get their RW nut jobs on every radio station across this country and it worked! They created this fucking moronic population that refuses to wear masks and social distance during a raging pandemic. Their programmed Brownshirts carry out their agenda perfectly. Trump speaks, they start marching. Trump – “Fake News!” Brownshirts – “Fake News!” Trump – “Election fraud!” Brownshirts – “Election Fraud.!” Trump “Pandemic is fake.” Brownshirts – “Pandemic is fake!”

       

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      beeninthewoods
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      Has anyone seen the documentary made a few years ago, I think it was called something like ‘The Brainwashing of My Father”? It told the story of a lady who was trying to understand how her father went from reasonable Republican to ranting irrational conservative. He had been forced into a job change and with his now much longer (forced) commute he listened to Rush. A few years of that radicalized him.

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      D503
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      Newt Gingrich et. al. Don’t forget Ollie North and the traitorous HW with his sidekick Raygun.

      Falwell started advertising his book accusing the Clintons  of murder and all sorts of shit.

      The 2000 election sort of solidified it, it seems. There was no end to the evils of wanting the presidency.

      Since JFK we’ve had a tool of the MIC, a crook, a fall guy, a nice guy, a fake guy, a traitor, a horndog, an idiot, a black nice guy, and a moron.

      And not one since JFK has any of them supported Labor.

      Some record here, eh?

      "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Asimov; "If you push something hard enough, it will fall over." - Fud's First Law of Opposition

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      I agree with @beeninthewoods on Rush and @incognito on right-wing radio. But it wasn’t until Bill Clinton removed the limits media ownership could it really take effect – Clear Channel had 1225 stations in 300 cities. Progressive radio stations were bought and replaced, and driving across the US all you would hear is right-wing talk radio.

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      incognito
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      @jbnw

      Exactly. Without Clinton, the RWers couldn’t have done what they did.

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      Other than that, it doesn’t seem to accomplish much, other than giving the oligarchy what it wants. Notice it only works one way, just like Democrat “party unity.”

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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      bazukhov
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       nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.”

      That bit was from the Thomas Jefferson campaign aimed against John Adams.

      This was from the John Adams campaign about Jefferson  “a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father.”

      Adams got a little help from the former First Lady, Martha Washington who called Jeffers0n “one of the most detestable of mankind.”

      1796.

       

       

       

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      @bazukhov And I can’t even print what Lincoln’s opponents said about him.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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      bazukhov
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      nt

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

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      MizzGrizz
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      “Like a mackerel in the moonlight,he shines and he stinks.”

      Today’s goody goodies who pine for civility would have lasted thirty seconds back then before calling for the smelling salts.

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      gordyfl
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      It was around the late 1990s that my email box was being flooded with fake stories from Republicans. But things still seemed civil. My Republican friends were hooked on FOX News and most Dems shrugged off their ludicrous emails.

      It was when Facebook came along that I saw those same bogus emails making their way to everybody’s Timelines on Facebook. But, by and large, most Dems shrugged it off.

      Trump vs Hillary:
      That’s when I saw things take off.
      My Democratic friends and relatives started paying attention to political news like never before. Their main source of information was CNN and MSNBC. Those two cable news stations were using the same strategy as FOX to hook their viewers and Trump was feeding their frenzy.
      Today Republicans still trust FOX, which gives them half the news, and Democrats get their half of the news from CNN and MSNBC.

      I’m glad I’m NPA (No Party Affiliatation).

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      jerry611
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      It’s never been civil. Just ask Alexander Hamilton who was shot by vice president Burr.

      Or in 1856 when House Rep Preston Brooks went over to the Senate and started beating Senator Charles Sumner with a cane. I think they have the actual cane used in the beating in a museum now.

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      Captain Arizona
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      The adams/jefferson feud was the beginning. By the way why do you want civility with evil?

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      ArtfromArk
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      there was another Southerner named Brooks who was involved in a violent political confrontation. This time, it was Joseph Brooks, “Brindle Tail” Republican, versus Elisha Baxter, “Minstrel” Republican, who engaged in an actual “war” for the governorship of Arkansas in 1874. Brooks had contested the results of the 1872 gubernatorial election, which had been won under a cloud of suspicion by Baxter, and Brooks was awarded the governorship by a county judge. However, Baxter refused to step down, and Brooks and his men took the governorship by force. Baxter countered with his own men, mainly from the Arkansas militia. The two sides started fighting it out in Little Rock, and when it was all over a month later, more than 200 people were dead, and President Grant had declared Baxter to be the legitimate governor.

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      And since it seems (to me) that the higher the office, the bigger the percentage of the politicians that are, for all intents and purposes, prostitutes fighting over access to Johns, civility would seem out of place.

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