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    So Far From Heaven
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    After months of threats, hoaxes, and fury at the prospect that Virginia’s new Democratic majority might restrict gun rights, the Virginia Citizens Defense League, a pro-gun group politically to the right of the NRA, is planning to descend on the state capital in a major rally on Monday.

    Since the fall election, the rhetoric around guns in Virginia has dramatically intensified. Memes appeared on the internet claiming that Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam was going to shut down the internet, cut off utilities, and seize guns. Since November 2019, more than 100 counties, cities, and towns in Virginia have declared themselves “Second Amendment sanctuaries” and have vowed to oppose any new restrictions on guns which they deem to be unconstitutional. Some proponents have even resurrected words like nullification and interposition, terms first used extensively by Southern secessionists prior to the Civil War and more recently during the “massive resistance” to federal laws requiring desegregation in the 1960s. Gun groups became further incensed in December when Democratic Congressman Donald McEachin suggested that if people did not follow the law, Northam should use the state’s National Guard to make them do so.

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    Monday’s protests are expected to be so volatile that even the National Rifle Association has distanced itself, directing supporters to attend a separate “lobby day” last week, when hundreds of Virginians peacefully and respectfully argued against the legislation.

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    The potential for mayhem is so acute that the governor has declared a state of emergency and banned “weapons of any kind” from Capitol grounds through the evening of January 21. Before the ban, Philip Van Cleave, the head of the VCDL, urged supporters not to bring assault-style rifles to the rally, but had not discouraged them from bringing handguns; he continues to complain that protestors will be defenseless without having the right to carry weapons to the demonstration. Legal challenges by the VCDL to the ban in the courts have now stalled; the Virginia Supreme Court ruled on Friday evening that it will not overturn the governor’s action. It is not clear whether the group will appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. And it is not clear how protestors will respond to the ban.

    Full article in Slate is HERE

    And I thought New Mexico was weird…..

  • #252708

    David the Gnome
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    There was some talk, a few years back, about a million armed righties marching on DC.  It turned out to be more like a couple dozen, if I remember correctly.  I predict similar turnout here.  If the police and various authorities know what they are doing, they will setup roadblocks and checkpoints.

    While I personally support the right of an individual to own a fire arm, I think the control measures are reasonable ones.

    I could be wrong, but I do not think most of the militia groups are going to show up in any large numbers.

  • #252709

    HassleCat
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    They’re hardly defenseless. Their obnoxious personalities will repel any adversaries.

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    chknltl
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    To some circles, if such protests were done elsewhere, the protestors would be labeled terrorists and be subject to drone strikes.

    Not calling the gunnutters terrorists, that’d make them hypocrites to their cause.

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    What a bizarre threat… All this fury over a fundamental misunderstanding of the second amendment. These people have a need to come to terms with what’s between their legs.

    Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

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    At least the Virginia government is not underestimating these assholes. We’ll see how many show up and hope everything stays peaceful. If they start killing people, though, I won’t shed a tear if the Virginia National Guard massacres them.

    Nazis are good only for killing.–My uncle, Private, US Third Army, first platoon to reach Dachau in 1945

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    • #253139

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      This is an interesting quote, @ohiobarbarian .

      My father (second gen German) flew B-17’s in the Eighth AF. Started in ’42, the dark year.

      When everyone talks about the Nazis and WWII and that kind of stuff, I always start wondering about the often neglected and almost never discussed Soviet slaughter during and just after that same time period. They butchered over 32 million people, including the vast majority of their own Jews.

      Nazis were atrocious, but what word or words would describe the ‘communists’ who I refer to as the Soviets?

      Humanity as a whole has a lot of problems…. now as it did then.

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        @sffh I know. That’s why I really feel for the eastern European peoples like the Ukrainians and Poles–there are many others, too–who suffered through both the Nazis and the Stalinists. It was truly terrible.

        My wife’s Ukrainian cousins lived through it all and are now alive and well and living in Lwow. Bernie Sanders’ relatives didn’t fare so well.

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      • #253378

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         No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people.
        Albert Camus

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        Mass killings under communist regimes 

        Estimates on the number of deaths brought about by Stalin’s rule are hotly debated by scholars in the field of Soviet and Communist studies.[83][84] Prior to the collapse of the USSR and the archival revelations, some historians estimated that the numbers killed by Stalin’s regime were 20 million or higher.[66][85][86] Michael Parenti writes that estimates on the Stalinist death toll vary widely in part because such estimates are based on “anecdotes” in absence of reliable evidence and “speculations by writers who never reveal how they arrive at such figures”.[87]

        After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives became available, containing official records of the execution of approximately 800,000 prisoners under Stalin for either political or criminal offenses, around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulags and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement—for a total of about 3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[al]However, official Soviet documentation of Gulag deaths is widely considered inadequate. Golfo Alexopoulos, Anne Applebaum, Oleg Khlevniuk and Michael Ellman write that the government frequently released prisoners on the edge of death in order to avoid officially counting them.[88][89] A 1993 study of archival data by J. Arch Getty et al. showed that a total of 1,053,829 people died in the Gulag from 1934 to 1953.[90] Subsequently, Steven Rosefielde asserted that this number has to be augmented by 19.4 percent in light of more complete archival evidence to 1,258,537, with the best estimate of Gulag deaths being 1.6 million from 1929 to 1953 when excess mortality is taken into account.[91] Alexopolous estimates a much higher total of at least 6 million dying in the Gulag or shortly after release.[92] Jeffrey Hardy has criticized Alexopoulos as basing her assertions primarily on indirect and misinterpreted evidence[93] and Dan Healey has called her work a “challenge to the emergent scholarly consensus”.[am]

        According to historian Stephen G. Wheatcroft, Stalin’s regime can be charged with causing the “purposive deaths” of about a million people.[21] Wheatcroft excludes all famine deaths as “purposive deaths” and claims those that do qualify fit more closely the category of “execution” rather than “murder”.[21]Others posit that some of the actions of Stalin’s regime, not only those during the Holodomor, but also dekulakization and targeted campaigns against particular ethnic groups, can be considered as genocide[94][95] at least in its loose definition.[96] Modern data for the whole of Stalin’s rule was summarized by Timothy Snyder, who concluded that Stalinism caused six million direct deaths and nine million in total, including the deaths from deportation, hunger and Gulag deaths.[an] Michael Ellman attributes roughly 3 million deaths to the Stalinist regime, excluding excess mortality from famine, disease and war.[97]Several scholars, among them Stalin biographer Simon Sebag Montefiore, Soviet/Russian historian Dmitri Volkogonov, and the director of Yale‘s “Annals of Communism” series Jonathan Brent, put the death toll from Stalin at about 20 million.[ao][ap][aq][ar][as].

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

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          Hi @yanath

          I consider the number of 20 mil fairly accurate. However, they were Soviets, not necessarily communists.

          I know that sounds like being really picky, but there is a difference. I think the founders of the communist party in Russia hated what developed and they died for it as well….

          I’m not a fan of either the far right nor the far left.

          • #253428

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            Adherents to capitalist dogma need to believe that their ideological enemies’ crimes are worse than theirs, which isn’t true, as the historical record amply demonstrates.

            I’m neither “far left” nor a communist. I’m just a working-class person who thinks that logic dictates that human society should be organized on the principles of science, math and justice, and that the benefits derived therefrom, should be distributed equitably instead of being concentrated for personal enrichment (corruption).

  • #253054

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    Propaganda works very easily on low IQ repubs and they actually do believe that “them leebrals is gunna take all their guns”.  Virginia is full of mentally deficient repubs outside of the populated N.VA areas and for the last year they’ve been propagandizing every Virginia media source with Civil War talk, militia takeovers and “deputizing 1000s of citizens” in Culpepper VA.  Democrats won a majority in all state government and now the mentally ill crybaby loser repubs are seriously thinking about killing people.  VA’s governor is 100% correct in issuing a state of emergency, Virginia is dealing with 1000s of mentally ill and armed citizens.

  • #253383

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    I don’t really care how many guns anyone owns.

    The gun-humpers demand that they be able to carry the things around wherever they like has caused all this shit.

    *’s war on terror has caused all this shit. Everyone, especially the mentally unemployed RW, is afraid. Afraid of some boogeyman that M$M keeps talking about. And there’s enough of it going around now that the fear has caused its own terror.

    It’s a distraction from the real problem of wealth inequality. If all citizens were not afraid of tomorrow, maybe they wouldn’t be shooting things.

    "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Asimov; "If you push something hard enough, it will fall over." - Fud's First Law of Opposition

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    About 22,000 people attended the rally, according to the Virginia Division of Capitol Police. That includes about 6,000 people in the official rally area and 16,000 outside.

    Glad it was peaceful.

    Glad they just had to go through metal detectors.

    Glad the police didn’t kill them, unlike the US-supported police forces who killed peaceful protestors in Columbia the same day.  Maybe we can add those deaths to the Capitalist Body Count.

    Pompeo 'applauds' Colombia's violent response to peaceful protests

    “US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo “applauded” Colombia’s President Ivan Duque‘s response to anti-government protests on Monday despite mass reports of human rights violations….During a joint press conference with Duque, Pompeo said “we applaud the way Colombia responded to the demonstrations, with professionalism, respect for human dignity and calling for national dialogue.”

    …Authorities’ attempts to violently suppress the largely peaceful protests killed at least three people and injured hundreds.”

    • #254032

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      Interesting.

      Just how is the violent suppression of protests a ‘capitalist’ problem?

      I assume the left wing power structures have had far worse repression of protesters. Both left and right have these ‘disappear’ campaigns as well. It’s power, not economics, that attempts to stay ‘in power’ that does this shit.

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