Why I’m being an asshole.

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    • #489852
      HassleCat
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      https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22776428/ivermectin-science-publication-research-fraud

      I know I’m obnoxious about campaigning against the bad science, fake science and downright dishonesty that gave rise to the wave of miracle cure proclamations about ivrrmectin and hydroxychloroquine, among others. I suffer from two significant problems. First, I love science, partly because I am married to a scientist, but also because good science helps alleviate superstition and ignorance. Second, I loathe hucksters and hucksterism because I was active with a consumer protection organization. Some of the studies appear to be done with honest intentions, but there are others that are fraudulent, plagiarized, falsified and otherwise “cooked.” And it appears to be a significant number, as reputable reviewers are discovering. As the magician and fraud buster James Randy demonstrated, scientists are as easy to fool as anyone else, so it’s wrong to blame science or it’s practitioners.  I am relieved that the covid controversy is fading, but I’m concerned that we are still susceptible to being duped when the next crisis confronts us. Oh, well. We are human, after all.

    • #489876
      kelly
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      nothing to worry about. there wont be any discussions about the origin, the known labs, the Russian allegations at the UN,

      and most significantly, the long term effects.

       

      Relax.

    • #489885
      djean111
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      The “scientific” approach was mortally wounded, IMO, by Fauci’s hucksterism.  In any event, I doubt anyone here would base their medical decisions on other posters’ posts, no matter who those posters are married to.  Factor in the US’ propensity to outright lie to we citizens, and there you have a morass.

      I still believe that no one really knows what happened, has happened, whatever.  When some figures are manipulated and suspect, then I consider all figures to be manipulated and suspect.  And I still have no intention of getting that “vaccine”.  I did get a good laugh about how monkeypox was the chosen pandemic for last year’s simulation, though.  What a coinkydink!  Can’t wait to see what the next one is!

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #489949
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      Disagreeing isn’t “being an asshole”.  If it is, we’re all assholes.

      Problem these days is, “science” along with everything else, is pretty untrustworthy, thanks to the increasing intrusion of the profit motive and privatization, problems with journals and peer review, etc etc.

      I used to be involved in “science” so I take your point on ivermectin etc, but also get the POV of those who mistrust the vaccines (big pharma being an example of big corruption, for example)

      And then of course, the multitude of folks who have no interest in truth at all, just in stirring the pot for political reasons, or narrative control, or just to turn people against each other and create chaos and fear.  These people are the real assholes, worse than assholes.

      But you have nothing to apologize for — or no more than anyone else who posts here.

    • #489979
      Two way street
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      Those that say nothing about it, are the real assholes of Society or what We have left of it. Thanks for saying and doing something about it.

      2020-2024 Campaign Season: We the People are in the fight for our lives and livelihoods.

    • #490003
      Ohio Barbarian
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      The CDC is lying right now, recommending masking indoors in some cities for a virus that now manifests as a mostly asymptomatic common cold to slow the spread, which masks have never in fact done.  They lied early on with the claim that vaccines would stop the spread of the disease and prevent infection. They do neither. They have ignored thousands of reports of pretty bad side-effects of the vaccines in children, who never got very sick with Covid in the first place, and want to mandate vaccines.

      This was never about the science or a deadly plague. It was, and is, a grifting operation to make huge profits for the oligarchs of Big Pharma and those who make their money off of the internet, not to mention the bigger businesses who were never forced to close during the lockdowns while their small business competitors were driven into the ground.

      Capitalism corrupts everything in its relentless pursuit of profit, including science.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #490043
      lownslow
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      Well, I guess you have your studies and sources of trusted authority, and some of us reject the great, moneyed interests of the medical community. The science is in as far as ivrm efficacy, (i took 10 mg today, an employee came to work covid positive). But ive tired of arguing with you, HC, you’ve posted like 100 anti ivrm rants but you never question the safety or efficacy of the clot shots. Im sure you its next on your list cuz its all about the science, right? You might start by reading up on those just released latest batch of pfizer papers. Does 12% efficacy sound like a good deal? Or mabye check out the latest stats on all caused mortality, its stunning. My uncle is an epidemioligist at NIH, right under ol faucci ouchy, that doesnt  make my opinion any better, although I can tell you there are a lot of shenanigans going on at nih and cdc. I like you, HC, but it feels like your assesment of your behavior is correct.

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        Pastiche
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      • #490069
        HassleCat
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        We know it’s not very effective. It’s relatively safe, but relatively is, well, relative. It provides a certain amount of resistance, improving my chances of a milder case of covid if I do catch it. No, it’s not foisted upon us as a miracle cure. I’m not defending the vaccine, but I am obligated to point out that much of the anti-vax campaign is the same old stuff we had a few years ago, where phony studies proved that vaccinating your kids made them autistic. Some of the same actors are back on stage for the current drama, reading from a slightly different script. It’s OK if they criticize the vaccines, since they’re proving to be disappointing anyway, but some of them, not all of them, are selling phony cures by promoting bad science and non-science. Yeah, I said “selling,” as in dollars, many dollars, quacks making grand promises and victimizing people, playing on their fears. I realize it’s difficult to let go of hope, but we the vaxxed are forced to let go of that hope as its efficacy fades. Reality sucks, so we can’t sit here at our keyboards and claim it still works and protects us from all harm. Over in the other reality, I see the same experts citing the same bogus studies, insisting they’re reputable and reliable and advising people to reject mainstream science as corrupt, and commit to snake oil cures. “The vaccine will kill you! I advise you to take this drug cocktail comprised of one or two or three medications at six or ten or more times the standard dosage, based on a meta analysis of unreliable and incompatible studies. Trust me. I know what I’m doing!” What makes me giggle is the crescendo of criticism that I’m a sheeple or incapable of critical thinking because I don’t buy it.

    • #490531
      Dunatus
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      …the fraudulent, falsified, and cooked data related to these vaccines that don’t work against the most common variants?

    • #490550
      Satan
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      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

      • #490590
        HassleCat
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        I would fit right in. But I guess that was some years ago.

    • #490554
      chknltl
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      Maybe I have a different threshold in determining who is and who is not an asshole but never once have you crossed that threshold in my book HasselCat.

      I am often in disagreement with you but we can still debate civilly, I can’t do that with an asahole.

      Rising to the status of assholes in my book: Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Rachel Maddow, Tucker Carlson, that Zelensky fellow over in Ukraine, President Bush jr and most of his cabinet and etc.

      While each of us here at JPR have our views, opinions and paradigms, we can debate with each other openly.

      On occasion, some of our members whom I respect the most, find disagreements with me or I with them.

      They are NOT assholes!

      I support you Mr. HasselCat.

      You are NOT an asshole in my book either.

      Nuff Said

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