Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts)March 1, 2018 at 2:50 pm
Why this AFSCME member does not care if the Supreme Court cripples it.
I’ve noticed several posts on this board of late talking about what a Bad Thing it will be if, as expected, the United States Supreme Court strikes down mandatory union dues in the case it is hearing now, Janus v. AFSCME(American Federation of State, Municipal, and County Employees). I am an AFSCME member, and I don’t give a shit. This is why.
The union leadership of AFSCME, just like that of the United Mine Workers, the United Auto Workers, the Service International Employees Union, the United Steel Workers, the Teamsters, in fact, the whole AFL-CIO, are nothing but grossly overpaid tools of the corporate class. They have sabotaged workers time after time over the last, oh, 15 years at least. Other than some of the benefits that they had established decades ago, a few crumbs of which to which they still cling, they’ve been pretty much fucking worthless.
They are tools of the DLC/corporatist wing of the Democratic Party. In fact, the AFSCME attorney arguing before the Supreme Court came right out and told the justices “Union security is the trade off for no strikes,” and it’s true. These unions have done everything in their power to cripple their own members whenever they have voted to strike against insulting contracts and pay decreases for new workers. Every fucking time. For a great article on the Supreme Court case, with which I completely agree because it is entirely true, go here.
Look at what’s happening in West Virginia. The teachers launch a statewide strike, and their own union tells them to go back to work on the promise of a billionaire turncoat governor and a legislature dominated by Big Energy interests to consider a 5% pay raise, which the teachers themselves know they have absolutely no intention of doing. Those poor people have been lied to and betrayed for over 20 years, by both Democratic Party politicians and their own union leadership.
If you haven’t been a rank-and-file member of a union during the last 20 years, you really haven’t experienced betrayal after betrayal. I have. I’ve been a member of one public sector employees union or the other for right at 20 years now, and I can testify to you that they all suck. They’re damned near worthless when it comes to negotiating a decent contract, and when it comes to supporting the use of the most powerful weapon we working stiffs have, the strike, they’re worse than worthless; in fact, they will side with management. Every time.
My contract is being negotiated right now, in secret. Details cannot be shared. This happened three years ago as well. Hell! Then I was on the negotiating committee, but the national union did not approve of me and I sat in on exactly zero negotiating sessions. I was told nothing. Then they produced this insulting 2% a year pay increase, even though there was hard evidence the real cost of living was rising at 5-6% a year, and said that if we voted to strike, AFSCME would not support us. No strike fund, no support from other unions, not even any help with talking to the media. Shut up and vote yes. And then a substantial percentage of our increased wages went to increased union dues that do, what? Pay union executives $500,000 a year or so, and bankroll the campaigns of fascistic Democrats like Hillary Clinton. That’s what.
So I don’t blame Janus, who is a child support worker in California, for not wanting to be forced to pay union dues to a union that will not fight for him, but will spend big bucks to support politicians like Clinton who he knows will just fuck him over.
When we get our next shitty contract offer, I will try to help organize another union in my own workplace, though I am not optimistic about my prospects for success. Still, more workers need to follow the example of the West Virginia teachers, who are honoring their coal miner ancestors by refusing to give in to corporate power.
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HubHeaver (300 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 3:02 pm
1. That is how I remember AFSCME from my days working for the
State of Illinois. It wasn’t always so back in the late ’60’s, early to mid ’70’s. By the late ’90’s, they were becoming worth less and less.
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to HubHeaver - post #1) March 1, 2018 at 4:26 pm
17. They weren't all that bad when I started out in that line of work in
1998. It all went downhill real fast after 9/11/2001. My wife and I, and lots of coworkers and former coworkers can attest to that. The work environment just got a lot harsher and authoritarian on the part of management with weeks of the event, and the union leadership seemed to get meeker and meeker.
Just my own remembrance.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
LiberalElite (6350 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 3:06 pm
2. JPR REC! I've never been a union
member. I often wished I could be. I think there were rumblings about organizing office workers like me in the ’70s but it was squashed. The thought of the SC coming down on the side of the employers upsets me but at the same time, unions ain’t what they used to be. It was telling that, repeatedly during the 2016 presidential race the union leadership endorsed Her when the membership wanted Bernie. I guess workers who want to unionize will have to die again as in the bad old days, because the bad old days are back.I feel much better since I've given up hope.
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to LiberalElite - post #2) March 1, 2018 at 4:24 pm
15. Yeah, and that really sucks. I hope it doesn't come to that, but it may.
Our ruling class is largely composed of real assholes. Is that the purpose of reality TV shows, to make sociopathic behavior seem normal, or at least fun? Is that a factor in why America is so gods-damned violent compared to most other civilized countries?
Sometimes, I wonder. It’s like a twisted advertising game, psychological propaganda.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
3FingerBrown (637 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 3:13 pm
3. Seems like a lot of
union leaders are just sellouts to the democratic establishment or their corporate bosses. I really hope real unions make a comeback because it is the only way working people are going to get what they deserve and earned!
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to 3FingerBrown - post #3) March 1, 2018 at 4:19 pm
14. It sucks. It's going to be a lot of work, but it has to be done. Dammit.
I’m lazy and I’m pushing 60. Which could mean that I’m on the verge of saying WTF one last time. Could be fun, who knows?
What I’m seeing in West Virginia, and maybe Oklahoma and Kentucky soon, could just be the beginning of a spontaneous populist movement, which could grow into something greater or go the way of Occupy Wall Street. Either way, it is a positive development, I think.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
Fawke Em (4362 posts) (Reply to Ohio Barbarian - post #14) March 1, 2018 at 4:25 pm
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to Fawke Em - post #16) March 1, 2018 at 4:35 pm
19. Lol. OK. Then, perhaps, it needs to expand into a new and progressive labor
movement that has some backbone. Such things can sometimes gain significant political power fairly quickly. And this country really needs to have something like that to happen because, right now, shit’s fucked up you know.
Most of us can no longer afford to follow either Trump, the Republican leadership, or the Democratic leadership. They have become something of an Unholy Trinity, as some Christians might say. We workers really need to create our own new unions which will represent us well because they will be part of us. Which is what unions are supposed to be in the first place.
The AFL-CIO is no longer such an organization. It won’t change. Time to start over, as much as I hate to say it. The prospect looks like way more work than many of us want to do, but we really should do something. We can at least support the teachers all we can.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
Entrepreneur (2521 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 3:14 pm
4. The elite love a system in which the masses can be controlled by manipulating a
single or few gatekeeper(s). It’s easy for the powerful to bribe, extort, or blackmail a handful of gatekeepers. But nearly impossible to do so to a large population.“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to Entrepreneur - post #4) March 1, 2018 at 4:45 pm
HassleCat (2616 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 3:20 pm
5. Tools of the third way.
There are a few good unions left, but most are concerned primarily with their own survival, and that means cozying up to third way Democrats.
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to HassleCat - post #5) March 1, 2018 at 4:15 pm
13. Which invariably means selling out their own membership. Eventually, the Third
Way is the union leadership. That is one very big reason I empathize with Janus, no matter what his specific political affiliation is. He may be Republican, I don’t know. It doesn’t matter. Contributing to the coffers of corporate Democratic primary candidates is as every bit as repulsive to me as it is to any Republican or Libertarian, and I work with a few of each.
I get along better with the Libertarians, though. They tend to like music and partying and stuff.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
Lord Thomas (2628 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 3:20 pm
6. Good Job OB.
Hey @deadpool . Can I rec this for the DR?
The Only Consistent Thing in Life is Change.
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to Lord Thomas - post #6) March 1, 2018 at 4:02 pm
11. Thanks, LT. Wow. Damn, that didn't take Pool long.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
Deadpool (13541 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 3:25 pm
duckpin (6771 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 3:42 pm
8. Too many of us don't believe people and institutions have changed
over time. One by one, or in the case of most of the AFL, unions have become adjuncts of capitalism. The leadership of many unions see their peers as managers and not the rank and file. Partly, a lesser part, came about because union members did not take an interest in the union, were content to go along with the established order, and relied on the contract to aid them in adverse actions and keep them on the payroll. A greater part, as with the UAW, is a sellout and outright acceptance of bribes in return for screwing the membership. The guilty pleas and indictments of UAW negotiators and a Fiat Chrysler exec are proof of this.
The American Federation of Teachers, under president Weingarden, is actively trying to suppress the strike by West Virginia school teachers who are poorly paid and have to work off the clock for sports events and social functions. They are striking at personal risk to themselves and deserve the support of their union. They won’t be getting it and the sooner they go Indie the better off they will be.
A significant portion of the workforce wants socialism to replace capitalism according to polls. Most unions like the status quo where each generation has a lower standard of living than the one that preceded it."The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to duckpin - post #8) March 1, 2018 at 4:00 pm
9. Thank you for posting that here. All too true, and positively disgusting. It is
not that I, or other longtime union members, have left the union leadership. Just like the Democratic Party, they left us. Maybe our fathers and grandfathers got too comfortable, and lazy, and passed on the serious responsibilities of a democratically-elected union into a multi-layered union dues-paid oligarchy, the upper levels of which started to get corporate stock options and such as bribes to keep the membership in line.
That’s why it was astounding to me to hear what that AFSCME attorney told the Supremes. It was the moral equivalent of the DNC attorneys telling a judge that they ran the Party like a private club, and could nominate whoever they damned well pleased. IOW, the union leadership takes bribes of one sort or the other but it is acceptable because, after all, we live in a kleptocracy and the kleptocrats make the rules.
This shit’s really starting to piss me off. Again. Shit. Oh, well, at least the mortgage company is sending me an escrow check this year. For the first time.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
duckpin (6771 posts) (Reply to Ohio Barbarian - post #9) March 2, 2018 at 4:45 am
34. If the rules of the game are everyone is on his/her own then we are correct
for looking after ourselves first: congrats on getting the check from the mortgage company,who probably hate you
Those in control knew what they were doing when they kicked the socialists and communists out of the labor movement and marginalized them because they provided the organizing skills and the honest unionism of solidarity and not the business unionism of today. It’s telling to me that not one political figure with a national standing has shown up in support of the West Virginia teachers. If they have I would like to know who it was(is) and send them something in support. Both the AFT and NEA rammed through endorsements of Clinton over the apparent objections of the teachers who wanted, if polls are to be believed, to endorse no one."The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
Smarmie Doofus (619 posts) (Reply to duckpin - post #34) March 10, 2018 at 7:25 am
43. Sen. Sanders said the following:
“Congratulations to the teachers in West Virginia who stood up to demand higher wages and better benefits and won. After a four day teachers’ strike, Republican Governor Jim Justice agreed yesterday to a 5 percent raise for all school employee and a 3 percent raise for all state personnel.
Teachers are one of the most essential professions in our society and yet they are wildly underpaid. The people who are entrusted with educating and inspiring our children should not be scraping just to get by. They should be paid living wages which reflect the importance of the work they do. I applaud all those who stood together.”
Congratulations to the teachers in West Virginia who stood up to demand higher wages and better benefits and won. After…
No… he didn’t show-up physically but if he had he probably would have gotten grief from all sides… including from the strikers… for grandstanding and/or exploiting the issue.
LiberalElite (6350 posts) (Reply to duckpin - post #8) March 1, 2018 at 4:31 pm
18. If there's one thing I've learned from studying Buddhism – every f**kg thing
changes. (slight paraphrase of Buddha.)I feel much better since I've given up hope.
duckpin (6771 posts) (Reply to LiberalElite - post #18) March 2, 2018 at 4:33 am
32. Yes, change is the only constant except for the Void.
Sherman A1 (795 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 4:01 pm
10. Well I was in a Union for 46 years and was very pleased to have
enjoyed the wages, benefits and representation of the Union. No, it was not perfect and Yes, I wanted better contracts and more money, but I was far, far better off in a Union Shop than I would have been outside of one.
I understand people not wanting to pay dues for Unions, I didn’t enjoy the money coming out of my paycheck, (I also don’t like paying auto insurance, but it’s kinda important to have) but should Unions have to represent workers who do not pay their share? Are you suggesting that someone should get something for nothing, because that is precisely what it amounts to.
As you may have gathered, I completely disagree with you."Be Kind; Everyone You Meet is Fighting a Great Battle." Philo of Alexandria
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to Sherman A1 - post #10) March 1, 2018 at 4:10 pm
12. You are free to do so. I understand your position. However, my own, and my
wife’s, and a lot of friends’ personal experiences outweigh the conventional pro-union view as portrayed by both the corporate media and the union leadership themselves.
We need new unions, with new leadership. Somehow, some way. And we’re not going to get that within the confines of labor law as written or by any kinds of dealings with the top union leadership. In Marxist terms, they are bourgeois now. They are the class enemy. We can’t give these people any power over us. Hell, we can’t even directly elect them! How the hell are indirect elections democratic? And then how they vote on union policy is difficult, if not impossible, to obtain. The membership is not part of the leadership debate, and this procedure is not working for the membership any more.
Thanks for the reply, though. Truly.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
Fire with Fire (1195 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 5:15 pm
21. I am one of those overpaid tools of capitalism
and I agree with almost everything you say in the OP. Except that shit about “all.” Not all unions in the USA are worthless, although I can easily understand how people could believe that to be so, based on lots and lots of examples. The MSM never covers our victories accurately — for obvious reasons. They are rare enough to begin with, but unless you are directly involved you have no way of knowing about them.
Without getting into personalities and naming particular unions, let me share my perspective on how the labor movement deteriorated from our peak in the late 1970s to now.
The National Labor Relations Act was passed by FDR in the 30s, and it created the modern structure of organized labor. The first four decades following its passage were a time of improving living standards for the working class — led by the industrial unions. Non-union employers tended to match the wage increases won by the unions, and the “news” of the day focused on the “greed” of auto workers and truck drivers who were driving inflation.
When the GOP would win the Congress, they would pass laws to weaken the unions, and the strategy worked.
The first wave came in 1947 with the Taft-Hartley Act that was passed over the veto of Harry Truman. It introduced the idea that is in this lawsuit, brilliantly called “Right to Work.” It was an interesting rhetorical twist as it took one of the cornerstones of American historical iconography and turned it inside out. While the country was founded to correct the evil of No Taxation Without Representation, Right to Work is on its face, Representation Without Taxation.
Under Taft-Hartley, it is up to states to choose whether to allow union shop contracts — and as of now I think there are 30 states that have Right to Work, a regime that makes it a legal requirement of a union to represent all the employees in a unit but allows individuals the “choice” of not paying dues. Although it does cut into union income, its real purpose is divide and conquer, and it works that way much of the time.
I cut my teeth in union representation in Right To Work States and I have to say I have mixed emotions about it. The worst thing about the union shop is that it does encourage laziness and complacency in the people running unions. You get to collect dues no matter what. Ironically, the ALEC assholes who drive this right wing legal-legislative agenda think they are just defunding the Democratic Party, which is stupid from their point of view to begin with, as the 21st Century Democratic Party is their best friend. But so much more significantly, this will force the lazy and complacent fucks who run most of the unions to get off their asses and to give the people they have to represent something worth paying dues for.
On the other side of that coin is that unions do have to represent the free riders which makes it really hard to build unity of purpose among a group of workers.
Another major problem caused by Taft Hartley was it required the unions to purge all their “reds.” This cost us many of our most talented and dedicated organizers. One of my old friends, much older than me, said that it took the soul out of the labor movement.
We hit the wall during the first Reagan Administration and I am in perfect agreement with your contempt for us as we just laid down and died once we started losing strikes. The most famous one was PATCO, and it became the all purpose excuse for why we had to give in. “Look at what Reagan did.”
But it was not just losing strikes that hurt us. The neoliberal strategy of deindustrialization and “free” trade put millions of people out of work. The tight labor market during the Vietnam War made the strike a mighty weapon; it obliged capitalism to remember its elementary Marxism and they rebuilt the reserve army of the unemployed to take the strike away as a potent weapon in most industries.
Our response to this structural setback was disgraceful in my opinion. We just gave up hope in our mission, and within our own discussions (and rationalizations) we said that the answer was political. We needed labor law reform — which put us into the position of asking rather than telling the Democratic Party to help us out. This led to one humiliation after another — starting with Carter, again with Slick, and culminating with Obama blowing us off in his first term. With the strategic blunder of expecting the Democratic Party to legislate our power back now indisputable, we are pretty well lost in the wilderness as our opponents think that Right to Work will kill us off.
The answer to the strike losing its power is to find other ways to fight. That is what I personally specialize in — the corporate campaign, and its cousin, the boycott.
This screed is long enough at this point. Just like the Democratic Party, the current iteration of Organized Labor that you perceive, OB, needs to go. Whether that means a new structure or house cleaning of the old structure is really less significant than understanding that things have to change. ALEC is probably helping us out with this one.
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to Fire with Fire - post #21) March 2, 2018 at 4:35 am
33. I admit my statement could be too sweeping and generalizing; hopefully, there
still are some decent unions, but I stand by what I said about the ones I actually listed. It would be interesting indeed if ALEC actually did us a favor. Anyway, I guess my position on unions is that there need to be more localized workers’ councils formed that will support each other in times of need. Even if that means breaking the law sometimes. We certainly need to be capable of sympathy strikes and slowdowns, which are illegal in most places for obvious capitalist reasons.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
Coldmountaintrail (4715 posts) (Reply to Fire with Fire - post #21) March 3, 2018 at 2:02 am
40. "they rebuilt the reserve army of the unemployed
to take the strike away as a potent weapon in most industries”
very deliberately so, and we’re living with the ongoing fallout today; I wish more people understood it
“it took the soul out of the labor movement” and out of other things as well. at this point, it seems to me it’s taken the soul out of the country; all that history of struggle disappeared and what remains seems tawdry in comparison, including what’s held out as ‘ideals’ to emulate
tularetom (2408 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 6:22 pm
22. 25 year public sector employee here (with 10 yr gap during the 70's)
As a grunt during the late 60’s, I had no opportunity to join a union, as they were very rare in CA at that time. By the time I left the construction business and returned to public employment, I was in management and my position was not covered by any bargaining unit.
But I could see the huge inroads made by public employee unions in that ten year span, particularly police unions, which capitalized on the voting public’s fear of crime. Local elected officials simply gave away the store to the public safety unions in the form of higher salaries, new perks, and most damaging, sweetheart retirement packages which essentially allowed police officers to retire at age 50 with 100% of their salaries and a guaranteed 3 to 4 percent annual COLA.
It all came crashing to earth over the years between 1998 (the dotcom bust) and 2008 (the great recession), and retirement benefits have now returned to more realistic and sustainable levels. But there are still many retirees from the good ol’ days living on six figure retirements, and many California cities and counties are faced with ginormous unfunded liabilities as those folks who boarded the gravy train 20+ years ago at age 50 can be expected to live another 15 to 20 years.
Back in the day, public employees accepted the fact that their salaries were not going to be competitive with those in the private sector, but the benefits they received (as well as the job security) was ample compensation for the pay disparity. Now they have pay parity, first class benefits, and the lifelong assurance of top dollar retirement pay. And still, the job security.
Incidentally, these budget busting giveaways weren’t limited to public safety unions, but you couldn’t give the cops top dollar without the other public unions raising hell about it so, everybody got a seat at the table.
BTW, because of my ten year hiatus in public employment, I now earn approximately 75% of my top salary before retirement, seventeen years after I pulled the plug.I went home with a waitress the way I always do How was I to know she was with the russians, too? Notary Sojac
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to tularetom - post #22) March 2, 2018 at 4:32 am
31. I have zero chance of getting that much due to the changes of the last 20 years.
Pay survey after pay survey by the states and counties themselves say public employees are underpaid by about 50%, but nothing is ever done about it.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
Coldmountaintrail (4715 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 6:26 pm
23. if the public unions go down, unionism is dead. union membership is in
the single digits in the private sector, if I remember right.
Major Hogwash (3506 posts) (Reply to Coldmountaintrail - post #23) March 1, 2018 at 8:56 pm
25. Right around 7%.
The largest union in Idaho is AFSCME. It’s the only one still here. All of the other unions have pretty much left Idaho, or are so small that they are being crushed by corporations. Even the NEA here is down to 5% of the teachers in this state.Trump moya marionetka ~ Putin
ctsnowman (782 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 8:06 pm
24. First time I didn't agree with you.
I want to see unions reformed and strengthened not decimated by federal law.Army and Navy veteran and a proud liberal.
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to ctsnowman - post #24) March 2, 2018 at 4:30 am
30. All I know is that mine is locked down tight by what seems to be a clique.
Indirect elections that are downplayed by the union itself select the top people. I’d love to see reforms, too, but every attempt has so far been defeated, and now my own union argues that preserving dues is what prevents strikes? This seems Orwellian to me.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
snot (1195 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 9:15 pm
26. It sounds like revolution is needed within unions as well.
How do union leaders gain their positions? How can they be replaced?https://www.battleforthenet.com/ 1% “To Do” list:
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wasabi sorbet (31 posts) (Reply to snot - post #26) March 1, 2018 at 9:37 pm
28. my Union rank and file
Had a good solution to the problem of corrupt union officials selling us down the river: A bylaws change to require the entire senior staff at headquarters to come out and work in the rank and file with the other grunts four years before they collected their pensions. Needless to say, they found a way to make sure that provision was defeated, and they did the counting.
Still think it’s a good idea
wasabi sorbet (31 posts) (Reply to original post) March 1, 2018 at 9:31 pm
27. My Union, the BLE, is similar.
About the only thing it provides for its dues is due process before firing. The unwritten rule from headquarters is “don’t rock the boat, I’m making 150k per year” I actually remember during a tense contract negotiation Union reps giving a town hall where there were grumblings of a strike which the Rep quickly talked down “I’m not going to jail for you” he barked. Someone countered with “Then get the fuck out of there and put in somebody why as a spine and/or balls!
My local Chairman is good at what he does, and really tries, but unsurprisingly can’t shovel shit against the tide.
Late Bloomer (227 posts) (Reply to original post) March 2, 2018 at 4:29 am
closeupready (2283 posts) (Reply to original post) March 2, 2018 at 6:09 am
35. "American Dream" from 1990 was a terrific documentary echoing
just your thoughts. It was about unionized workers at Hormel in Minnesota who were debating whether to strike, and the internal workings of the union, and how various interests came into play. I’d highly recommend you see it – it may be on Netflix or Amazon, not sure. I saw it a couple years ago when it was running on one of the movie channels.
I guess it won the Academy Award for Best Documentary in the year it was nominated.The opinions and views expressed herein are solely those of the author.
amylsacks (275 posts) (Reply to original post) March 2, 2018 at 8:39 am
36. When I Was With AFSCME…
…our leadership outright refused to support single-payer in this state.
I’ll never forgive them for that.Who wants art? http://www.ipernity.com/doc/327151
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to - post #36) March 2, 2018 at 2:55 pm
39. Yeah, they did in Ohio as well. And their reason was self-serving bullshit. They
came right out and said that if there was single payer then that would diminish their negotiating power with management if health insurance was not an issue, and that it would be harder to attract new members if union shops didn’t have the best health insurance available. That second is certainly true. They were afraid of losing future union dues.
I’m sorry, but the union is supposed to exist to serve its members, its members do not exist for union officials.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
amylsacks (275 posts) (Reply to Ohio Barbarian - post #39) March 3, 2018 at 9:13 am
41. Yet Every Time There Was A Contract Up For Renewal…
…there’d be tons of ire between both camps over health insurance costs. Then there’d be concessions like making more jobs PT or privatizing them in order to make life easier on Management. So when a FT, public worker quit or retired, they could be replaced with someone who couldn’t get insurance?
This was particularly tough on lower-tier library staff. Libraries here are hugely popular, despite limited hours. But PT workers were scrambling all the time to get their irregular hours pushed into the range where they could get and keep insurance. This led to tension between PT and FT workers, of course.
Union brass should have jumped at the chance to get an instant cure for all that: to free up their time and resources for other pursuits. But, no.Who wants art? http://www.ipernity.com/doc/327151
Salemcourt (738 posts) (Reply to original post) March 2, 2018 at 1:59 pm
37. My view of union leadership changed when I saw most of them
supporting Hillary over Bernie. They are worthless (the leaders I mean, not the unions themselves)
Ohio Barbarian (7829 posts) (Reply to Salemcourt - post #37) March 2, 2018 at 2:44 pm
38. Yes, AFSCME did that too, and indecently early. I forget whether it was them or
another big union that endorsed Hillary even before Bernie announced. Or was it right after? I forget. Then they barraged us with literature endorsing Hillary, but didn’t try nearly as hard to get the membership’s input on the new contract. Oh, the local called a couple of meetings for that, but we never got to talk with the attorney who represented the union until after they had already agreed to a contract, sight unseen to the rest of us beforehand.
And they, the national reps, not our locally elected officers, just tried to browbeat us into accepting it. They emphasized that there would be no strike fund and no support from the rest of the national union if we voted to strike. It was vicious, especially when they knew that at least a small majority of us was pretty much maintaining whatever we had on a paycheck to paycheck basis.
That’s just not how a democratic union is supposed to operate, IMO. OTOH, it is exactly how a Democratic union seems to operate these days.Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
snot (1195 posts) (Reply to original post) March 8, 2018 at 8:45 pm
42. I have a theory that one of the factors in organizational degeneration is scale
– in particular, that once any organization reaches a certain size, it becomes vulnerable to the following:
in order to remain effective, it’s hard to avoid some kind of hierarchical structure; but as more layers are imposed between the top and the base, those at the top lose touch with the base,
there’s a loss of transparency and accountability between the top and the base,
even if individual members’ contributions are small, the total is enough larger that skimming a few percentage points yields big gains to the skimmer,
the organization becomes both more attractive and more vulnerable to sociopaths.https://www.battleforthenet.com/ 1% “To Do” list:
1. Control banking; 2. Control communications (including “news” media); 3. Control the government; 4. Control education ; ....