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  • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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    Will the Dems get a fucking backbone? Or just continue to help the oligarchs?

    Here’s a petition to let them know we will not accept Gorsuch on The Supreme Court

    http://nogorsuch.org/?source=emailsh

    From The Petition:

    “It would be disastrous for Senate Democrats to let Trump take over the Supreme Court, no matter the nominee. That said, Trump has followed through on his promise to appoint a right-wing extremist in his decision to nominate Neil Gorsuch. Failing to filibuster Gorsuch would mean lights out for our democracy, for our climate, for civil rights, workers rights, and reproductive rights. All Senate Democrats must pledge, without equivocation, to protect the Supreme Court and our democracy from Trump’s agenda of hatred and greed.”

    The hearings start today. Call your senators and let them know, under no circumstances, will we accept their complacency again. We’re becoming stronger and more unified every day. And by 2018, we will have candidates who work FOR the people.

    You can use this site to contact your Senators:

    https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

    Thank you for the video @xyzse

    https://youtu.be/qv0Tgkw3E_Q

     

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    948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  

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    • Green Dog Dem (3276 posts)
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      1. No such Gorsuch!

      Aloha! KamaAina in the hale (house).
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        5. Exactly!

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • goodgirl (2185 posts)
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      2. They are oligarchs.

      Of course they will help them.

      Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        6. I agree. I think they'll allow a couple of them to pretend

        to give a shit. For show doncha know. But they’ll let him pass

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • goodgirl (2185 posts)
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          17. Well I signed it anyway.

          We have to keep trying.

          Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
          • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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            26. As did I

            We can’t stop trying

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Fawke Em (3435 posts)
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          22. That's why Gorsuch's hearing is the same week as Russa! Russia! Russia!

             
          • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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            27. Probably. Why else would it be this week?

            Though Russia! Russia! Russia! Hasn’t stopped

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • 3FingerBrown (280 posts)
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            31. You got it!

            Amazing coincidence, huh?

    • Enthusiast (7812 posts)
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      3. Signed. Thanks, Mary!

      :bounce:

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        7. Thank you Enthusiast!

        :bounce:

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Mom Cat (8055 posts)
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      4. Signed and circulated!

           NEVER FORGET      BERNIE WON!          
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        8. Thank you MomCat!

        :hi:

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Ohio Barbarian (2773 posts)
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      9. I don't normally sign internet petitions; I've never seen them accomplish much.

      But this one? OK, worth a try. As for my senators, one will vote for him no matter what, but the other one? I emailed Sherrod Brown and told him flat out that there is no way I will vote for him again if he votes to confirm this asshole.

      "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        12. Good for you

        I’m in Texas. Doubt my call means shit to the senators here. But, I called anyway.

        A couple petitions I know about did do some good. Combined with phone calls and emails. The TSA and the Net Neutrality. But those are exceptions.

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Koko (3181 posts)
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      10. Do you mean THIS?

      Dems see Something in the Corner:

       

      https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.JDfybzCPCbzas0_BF6Sp7QEkEs&w=185&h=189&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&dpr=1.5&pid=1.7

      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        13. Bawhahaha!

        :roflmao:

        And someone in the background says, “careful, you use that and the money runs dry!”

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Koko (3181 posts)
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          14. No Doubt!

          :rofl:

          “careful, you use that and the money runs dry!”

      • Jefferson23 (4404 posts)
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        59. LOL

    • BillZBubb (2251 posts)
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      11. They'd like you to think it was just a lack of backbone.

      The reality is their paymasters have no problems with Gorsuch–in fact they support him. He’s 100% corporatist.

      The Democrats will make their usual noise about how terrible he is, but in the end they know he has to be allowed to take the seat. It’s business after all.

      DemExit! Don't give the Democrats a dime. Don't identify as a Democrat. Drop Democratic identification below 20%. Only then will they support true progressive policy. Until then, corporate money rules.
      • Koko (3181 posts)
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        16. And, Noooooo….they just couldn't do what the Repubs did

        with Obama’s Appointee.  Dems in Congress Say:   “We aren’t the Repubs…..just Trust Us!”

      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        18. Yep. And when they're up for reelection, we primary them out

        The backbone would be to do what the people elected them to do. To stand up against the monied, the corporatists, and filibuster this conservative, business judge, out the door.

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • ThomPaine (3446 posts)
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          20. Great OP Mary. We must do a step farther than just primarying them.

          If we fail at that we must see that they lose in the general.  At least not support them.

          aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
          • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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            30. Yep. We have to make people realize that they're all the same

            And we must get good candidates who will work for the people.

            We MUST get money out of politics

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Art from Ark (2333 posts)
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          24. We tried to primary out Blanche Lincoln

          But then Bill Clinton came to Arkansas to campaign for Arkansas’s Least Popular Democratic Senator Evah, and when the primary became a run-off, only 2 polling areas were designated in the home county of Blanche’s Democratic opponent, Bill Halter. Only two polling places, in  735 square-mile Garland County– and one of those polling places was in a gated community.

          The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
          • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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            37. I remember that

            That’s something we should be working on NOW. Ensuring there are enough polling places and that they’re in places people can access.

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Dragonfli (969 posts)
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          46. No matter how this goes, Sen Michael Bennet (D-CO) should be on the list

          Senator Michael Bennet (D-CO) says he plans to introduce Neil Gorsuch at his Senate hearing on Monday morning.

          I understand Chuck Schumer has already pledged that 60 votes will be required for Gorsuch to advance through the Senate. “We need to make sure no Democrat helps Gorsuch get anywhere near that number.”

          Unfortunately as said above there is a long backstabbing tradition of negative vote trading, where they take turns screwing us over so their records appear better than they are.

          The entire weight of anything and everyone resembling a left in this country should land on this guy like a ton of bricks to make an example of him (and any that vote to confirm Gorsuch) after a year of Republicans refusing to do their job regarding even giving a Supreme Court Justice a hearing, there is no political downside excuse for not making their appointments a nightmare now, they have set themselves up for obstruction and business as usual will only show the Democrats to be the complicit RW allies they truly are.

          Already the title of your OP sounds like a rhetorical question or a cynical joke to anyone with half a brain, if the Dino party has any hope of retaining any identifying members in number, they should damn well put on a show of obstructing this justice for a year at the very least, yet I doubt that will happen.

          Fighting back by us unrelentingly is the important part, as their complicity slips show like a vaudeville act and their numbers keep diminishing, our resistance and lack of complacency may help the formation of an internal party revolution, or a viable external party  formation!

           

          “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

            

            

          • Herman4747 (1318 posts)
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            51. Damn, I had no idea Senator Bennet was that bad.

            trekagainsttrump
          • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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            63. +1000

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Ferd Berfel (3943 posts)
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      15. third way corporate dems with a backbone?

      Is this a trick question ?

      …and you think you’re going to stop this simply by ‘pulling a lever’, in a booth, behind a curtain, every 2 years? - Know yourself. And if you need help with that, call the FBI. -  There is only ONE solution to this mess:  New Party !  
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        25. Yes!

        :lol:

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • ThomPaine (3446 posts)
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        42. You make a great point. We don't want or care if the Neo-Libs get

        a backbone, we want them gonzo.

        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
        • Dragonfli (969 posts)
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          48. The future voters have a message for these complicit dystopians as well!

          “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

            

            

    • aspirant (1470 posts)
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      19. Forget about the back,

      I say we create anew with a front rib

      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        28. Fine by me.

        A new front, or side, or whatever. Because this ain’t working

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • aspirant (1470 posts)
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          29. Adam may have created a world wide gender

          from a single rib, there’s miracles in them thar hills.

          • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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            38. LOL!

            Evidently, he had kids that could reproduce without there being any other people as well. Amazing guy that Adam. :)

            Third-way dems have no bones but have lots of bank accounts

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • TRex (2009 posts)
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      21. No. They still pretend there is not a deep state or rich group that controls

      the country. Forget them they are lost in the woods. Progressives will steamroll these obsolete gas bags. Let them serve Mammon.

      I never promised you a rose garden.
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        32. +1000

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • sadoldgirl (1447 posts)
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      23. What makes you think that the Dems don't approve of him?

      Sheesh, Roberts and Alito got in with their help.  And I have learned by now

      that petitions, calls, e-mails to them don’t do anything. The club will decide

      which Senators are not up for reelection in 18 or are least endangered then,

      and they will help Gorsuch to get in. That is the game they are playing now,

      and we should realize this by now.

      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        36. Of course we realize it

        But it’s not true that phone calls, emails and petitions don’t do anything. While that’s true for the majority of actions, if we do all do it, it can make a difference.

        We killed the TPP and saved net neutrality.

        What do you suggest?

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Agony (85 posts)
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      33. IF the Senate Democrats had any balls…. not much chance of _that_

      they would tell the republicans that there is no chance of any movement on a SC nominee until the next president takes office in 4 years.

      Good luck to all of us…

      • jerry611 (252 posts)
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        35. Nuclear option would be used long before that happens

        If Democrats hold up the nomination into the Fall, the GOP will then use the nuclear option.

        This won’t get to 2018.

        • cascadiance (2012 posts)
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          60. Nuclear option might haunt the Republicans after 2018 election though!

          I think that Dems SHOULD push the limits on this one!  Say that ANY and ALL nominations for SCOTUS should be filibustered and stopped UNLESS Trump nominates Merrick Garland for the court (which Republicans actually RECOMMENDED to Obama earlier anyway!).   That would correct for their past behavior of stopping that nomination for a year, and would allow for a more civil atmosphere to conduct normal SCOTUS nominations and approvals in the subsequent future.  I think the public would respond favorably to that power play since the Republicans played their initial play arguably unfairly when shutting down Garland’s nomination by Obama.  And I am not really a fan of Garland.  But if one wants to restore fairness and respectability to the process, THAT is what the Republicans need to be pressured to do to get another nominee to the court.  If Republicans go nuclear before 2018, then they likely will lose the Senate then, even though more Democrats are up for reelection then I think, which might have a landslide happen in 2020 for Democrats then.

          If they get enough voters PO’d at them then to vote against Republican senators in 2018, that will also hurt them in other down ticket races, that usually is in their favor in non-presidential elections.

          Another question is what happens if another vacancy happens on the court while the filibuster process continues.  If the additional opening is from the right wing side, I would expect them to then nominate Garland QUICKLY, so that they could get in another nomination of their own to try and give them a more right wing court before the subsequent election too.  If it is from the left side of the bench, then I think they might just do nothing up until the 2018 election, to allow for a right wing court (albeit a 4-3 court instead of a 5-4 court) to be able to rule on cases through then.

          We just need to make it our highest priority to keep Ginsburg healthy through 2018 at least, if not 2020.

          Vote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!                                                                                  
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        39. No balls. Not one whole ball between them

        I’m not going to hold my breath. Lots of blustering today but I don’t believe many will actually do anything.

        But we have to try

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Cassiopeia (1875 posts)
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      34. I Would argue that they have had one for years.

      It takes a strong will and personal strength to look someone dead in the eye and lie to them over and over and over again.

      Fighting for us would be easy.  Stand up, take a vote, go home and tell the people about your vote and rally them to your cause.  Pretty easy…. if you’re taking the side of the 99%.

      Bucking all that and shitting down someones throat while you tell them how great it tastes takes backbone, lots of it.

      The only minority we should actually fear is the wealthiest 1%
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        40. Nah, that's just being a self centered lying prick.

        Doesn’t take backbone to be a snake.

        Not one single solitary bill introduced to help the people. They all suck

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Cassiopeia (1875 posts)
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          41. Indeed.

          Even when we had control and a mandate, just more handed to the elite.

          The only minority we should actually fear is the wealthiest 1%
          • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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            43. Yep. It's been decades since anything has been done

            To help the people. Even the ACA helps both big pharm and insurance companies.

            If it weren’t for Bernie Sanders and his $12billion amendment to the ACA for local health clinics, there would be nothing to help the working poor who are unable to afford health insurance but do not qualify for the ACA

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Jefferson23 (4404 posts)
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      44. This should be a no brainer, but we're talking about the Democratic Party. K&R

      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        53. Yep

        Sad, isn’t it?

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Jefferson23 (4404 posts)
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          56. It seems like they're going out of their way to fail.

          We stand for nothing aka the Democratic Party.

          • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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            70. It sure does

            There’s no way they can believe they will last long. Makes me wonder what is really going on

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • jwirr (3289 posts)
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      45. We already know the answer to that – they look like helpless children beside

      BERNIE.

      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        54. Assholes. Almost each one

        Damn them all and what they did to us and Bernie

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Xyzse (2278 posts)
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      47. They have no plan.

      Frustrates me.  They go for the weakest line of questioning as well.

      Dammit all.

      https://youtu.be/qv0Tgkw3E_Q

      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        55. HAHAHA

        Love that at the very beginning, “Jesus Christ what’s wrong with you people?”

        Thank you. I’ll add this to the OP

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Xyzse (2278 posts)
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          57. Thanks!

          Yeah, it was a well done segment.  They frustrate me to no end.

          I have to state, Cenk’s line of questioning to me makes sense.

          Ask Gorsuch who has been on the record if he thinks that Presidents are entitled to put up their Judicial Candidate through a hearing.  Because even as bad as Judge Garland was, how supposedly moderate Republican he was, they did not care and just wanted to stall for over a year.

          If he answers “No” then Democrats can stall and tell him to get out of there.  If “Yes”, they can then make him say that the Republicans acted unconstitutionally on record.

          Then if you ask Feinstein what she plans to do, she has nothing up to the time that segment was done.  To the point that they will ask if Gorsuch can be independent from the Presidency.  Of course he would be, even if he weren’t, there is no way to prove that.

          • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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            71. Feinstein sucks!

            I agree as well. But no one is doing it. Durbin comes closer than most but still lacking

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Phlem (467 posts)
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      49. "Will the Dems get a fucking backbone? Or just continue to help the oligarchs?"

      I think we all know the answer to that question by now. :)

       

      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        58. I don't know why i just keep hoping

        Yes, we know. I believe my OP tells I know. But I just keep hoping

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Phlem (467 posts)
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          76. Your talking to a professional non letter goer here.

          My ptsd makes it very hard for me to let go of certain things but this, I can let go of. I’ve watched them screw us for 3 decades and held out hope.

          It started to crumble when Bill shipped my job overseas, then Mr. “hope n change” announced he was thirdway after a populist campaign, finally the wikileaks exchange pretty much confirmed my worst fears.

          When it’s this bad, there’s no fixing it.

          We don’t know where all the Thirdway, Neoliberal, support staff have been placed. On top of that, poppy Bush, while head of the CIA, stuffed loyalists in every nook and cranny he possibly could. And we all know the Clintons and Bushes are best buds.

          If you think about it, the DNC worked against Bernie and gave him very little if any money. Yet look at how well we did. I think corporations should not be people and should function as support staff for the public’s employment. Right now they’re running everything. :/

          To me it seems that hunting down all the monkey wrenches would be harder than starting a new. People funded, transparent campaign and everyone working in the party can be vetted as they’re hired.

          I think we just need to start fresh. I know it’s a daunting task but I bet there are a whole lot of people willing to support this that it could happen in the 1st try. It almost did. :)

          I think we have a real opportunity here and we shouldn’t waste it. But that’s just me. Someone that wants it to work for the 99% only. Either way we’ll get there together, all of us. :)

    • Hobbit709 (2070 posts)
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      50. You get 3 guesses. The first 2 don't count.

      The usual DINO suspects will go along with their $pon$or$.

      I won't shut up and I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        61. Sadly, they will

        Exxon! Sponsor of the Political Elite!

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Ferd Berfel (3943 posts)
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      52. Of course, They ARE the Oligarchs

      And they stand up to US……and we allow it.

      …and you think you’re going to stop this simply by ‘pulling a lever’, in a booth, behind a curtain, every 2 years? - Know yourself. And if you need help with that, call the FBI. -  There is only ONE solution to this mess:  New Party !  
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        62. We must never do that again

        They work for us, damn it!

        We should take a pledge to never vote for anyone who accepts corporate money

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Ferd Berfel (3943 posts)
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          64. I'm there

          …and you think you’re going to stop this simply by ‘pulling a lever’, in a booth, behind a curtain, every 2 years? - Know yourself. And if you need help with that, call the FBI. -  There is only ONE solution to this mess:  New Party !  
    • Octafish (3235 posts)
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      65. That is the central question.

      It’s been answered in the negative ever since the Church and Pike committees called it a day and the Democratic Party has done the willing of the rich and powerful through welfare for the wealthy.

      Hooray for Wall Street! Hooray for War Inc!

      It is way past time to start something new.

      “Get the truth and print it.” -- John S. Knight
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        66. WAY WAY WAY PAST TIME

        We’re working on something that should help bring us all together under one roof. Or more likely, a tent. Who can afford a roof?

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Octafish (3235 posts)
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          67. The Tent

          All the people who believe in democracy, justice, equality, fair play, community and the Constitution. You know, all those who’ve been kicked out of the Club’s two “big tents” for being unable to afford the rent.

          “Get the truth and print it.” -- John S. Knight
          • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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            72. We can do it! And we will!

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Dragonfli (969 posts)
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      68. Sigh.. I Think the TJDS has your answer, and it is less than heartening…

      “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

        

        

      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        73. It's just 13 dimensional chess

        Trust me! They’re smarter than anyone and we’re just too stupid to know what they’re planning.  :lol:

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
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          75. I keep forgetting the chess masters are on it and have our backs

          I really must keep reminding myself that the kings and queens must be protected and my duty as a pawn is to be sacrificed for the best move.

          “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

            

            

          • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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            77. LOL!

            Yep, That’s what they believe. We’re here for them to use at their will.

            It’s actually not funny. I shouldn’t make light of it. People are dying all over the world because of their greed

            948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Piperay (512 posts)
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      69. Never, never, never … they'll

      continue to be enablers … ALWAYS! :grr:

      BERNIE SANDERS 2020
      • Marym625 (20279 posts)
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        74. Yep. Douchecanoes. Every last one of them

        948c8f248a "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian