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  • MannyGoldstein (2351 posts)

    With Love, Please?

    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

    A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

    A time to start an online community, and a time to hand it off to people who aren’t exhausted

    This is that time.

    JPR began in troubled times, born from Mary’s discussions with Jim Peterson (Jackpine Radical on DU) about the need for a new online forum that wasn’t run by, say, the vindictive and petty husband of Hillary Clinton’s former campaign treasurer. A place where truth is OK.

    Mary roped me in (it was clear I was about to get kicked off of DU), then Matariki joined us for a while, and we all made a site. And it attracted some quality folks. (And a few trolls, of course.)

    Mary’s been the heart, soul, and brains of JPR since it began. I dropped off, for the most part, a year or so ago – combination of a dying family member, other family being ill and getting hospitalized, work craziness, blah, blah, blah. It was tough for me to put much effort into anything outside of what was in front of my face. But Mary powered through and kept the thing going, even while facing her own personal challenges. And I admire her for that!

    A lot has happened since JPR started. Many of us on JPR have known for years that the Democratic Party were no friends of the 99%, and that we’d been badly damaged by both major political parties shilling for the 1%. A party of wolves, and a party of wolves in sheeps clothing. We knew it, but most left-leaning Americans did not.

    Today, the vast majority of America knows that both political parties are deeply corrupt and share the goal of stealing from the poor to give to the rich. All Hell seems to have broken loose as Americans abandon the establishment and move right or left in an attempt to find something that works for them, or at least stops assaulting them.

    Donald Trump is now President (which is insane beyond words), thanks to the DNC Superdelegates forcing an establishment candidate on us. But at the same time that Trump and his extended crazy-right crime family are viewed favorably by one-third of our country, two-thirds of us now favor Medicare for All. And most of us now also favor a livable minimum wage and other sane policies that Progressives have long known are needed. The far-right might be in power today, but it’s Progressive ideas that are winning big, and it’s only a matter of time before the dreams of the majority become flesh — if we can hold on to our right to vote (a bit wounded but still mostly intact), and don’t start a civil (or uncivil) war, etc. Holding things together until sanity becomes law may not be so easy, but it’s a big part of our job now.

    JPR was not begun specifically to back Bernie Sanders, but it did collect some good money for him, and the beliefs and spirit of JPR’s membership are largely the same as his.  I feel that we owe an enormous debt to Bernie Sanders for stepping up at the right time, with the right words and the right life story to match his words. His clear and honest voice reminded us that we can have good things, and we’ll get them back by being good and decent to one another.

    “The revolution comes when two strangers smile at each other”
    – Bernie Sanders

    Bernie is our Bhodisattva.

    But enough of my rambling; it’s time to say what I set out to say.

    After an amazing amount of effort by Mary, and a fair bit by Matariki and myself, the time has come for JPR’s Wheel to turn. It is time to bring on fresh folks to become JPR’s new benevolent overlords. Henceforth, Land of Enchantment and So Far From Heaven will be watering and pruning the place. (I’m sure it can fertilize itself.) I know them both well, they are good people, and I expect that they will do a great job. I look forward to seeing the future they orchestrate in partnership with every one of JPR’s other members.

    As to me… I have no intention of permanently disappearing, but I will likely remain “out of the fray” until my time and my spirit have enough extra space for it. America’s come a long way in the short time since JPR was founded. And I believe that JPR’s had a little to do with that. And further, I believe that our site has helped people to find camaraderie; to celebrate the good, process the bad, and just shoot the breeze. And for that I thank Mary, Matariki, the hamsters, and every single person of good intentions who’s been a member of our community.  

    Now let’s go forward and win, with love, OK?

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    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" - Upton Sinclair

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    • glinda (2981 posts)

      1. Thank you Manny. Please leave the hamsters.

      Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
    • NV Wino (9454 posts)

      2. Thanks for all your efforts, Manny.

      You made a great site and provide a refuge for us. Check in when you can, and take care of those hamsters.

        “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee  
    • 99thMonkey (4813 posts)

      3. Thanks for leadership, direction & all the hard work Manny!

      “The friends of democracy should keep their eyes anxiously fixed in this direction [at Corporate America]; for if ever a permanent inequality of conditions and aristocracy again penetrate into the world, it may be predicted that this is the channel by which they will enter.”  ~Alexis De Tocqueville (1835)
    • RufusTFirefly (4606 posts)
      Mr. Jenkins

      4. Bonne chance, Manny! Pucker up!

      Far above Cayuga’s waters

      There’s an awful smell!

      Some say it’s Cayuga’s waters

      Others say Cornell!

      • MannyGoldstein (2351 posts)

        6. Pfft. This one's more my style:

        Give my regards to Davy,
        Remember me to Tee Fee Crane.
        Tell all the pikers on the Hill
        That I’ll be back again.
        Tell them just how I busted
        Lapping up the high highball.
        We’ll all have drinks at Theodore Zinck’s
        When I get back next fall!

        "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" - Upton Sinclair
    • A little weird (965 posts)

      5. Thank you!

      Thanks for all the hard work you and Mary have done on this site.  As someone who has never run a site I have no idea what goes into it but I’m sure it’s a lot of work.  JPR has been a refuge for me after I had my eyes opened about the nature of the Democratic party during the 2016 primary.  I know a lot of people were onto them long before that but while I wasn’t entirely blind to their faults, I had no idea of the extent of their corruption.  I never got kicked off of the other site (that I’m aware of) but it became obvious that it wasn’t the place for me and I just stopped going there.

      Anyway, I’m rambling.  Thanks again for all your hard work and I hope things in your offline world improve!

    • Enthusiast (16192 posts)

      7. Thanks for all you have done, Manny. That was very well said.

      "I got a great big pointed fang Which is my Zomby Toof My right foot's bigger than my other one is Like a reg'lar Zomby Hoof If I raid your dormitorium Don't try to remain aloof . . ." The Zombie Woof
    • Ohio Barbarian (13443 posts)

      8. Thanks, Manny. All the best.


      No man ought to stay poor so another man can get rich. --Newton Knight
    • bemildred (10363 posts)

      9. "May the wind be always at your back, and the road rise up to meet your feet."

      It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.
    • jwirr (5464 posts)

      10. Thanks again Manny. And yes with love.

    • antigop (1054 posts)

      11. Thank you, Manny! nt

    • KenTanker0us (544 posts)

      12. To say thank you is inadequate

      This place gave me a new home after DU’s betrayal of what it was supposed to stand for.

      It is my dearest wish that you will get some peace, and rest, Manny. Some day I hope that rascal Third-Way Manny will stop by and give us some good belly laughs.

      You and Mary are heroes. Peace be with you both.

      I used to be Navarth at DU. I left DU when it became polluted with Hillary pushers. The party bosses fucked us, and Bernie, just like they did with Henry Wallace in 1944.
    • WillyT (12545 posts)

      13. Thanks Manny !!!



    • ThomPaine (6947 posts)

      14. Your posts in another life helped me continue as did JPR when it was born.

      • ThomPaine (6947 posts)

        15. I can't say enough about how grateful to those of you that started JPR. I can't

        • ThomPaine (6947 posts)

          16. can't say enough because I can only type in the "Title" box. Love you guys.

    • Scott Crowder (1125 posts)
      Suspended for violating TOS

      17. good to see you are still around

      Thanks for everything

      Think of all the “moderates” who, throughout history, have failed to oppose state-sanctioned aggression, oppression, and abuse, from slavery to child labor, while maligning those who call for change as dangerous and misguided, violent radicals. And yet, in retrospect, when a renewed social contract is established as the new normal, the unlawful actions that brought about these societal shifts are turned into mythical tales of nationalistic heroism and dates for kids to memorize at school.
    • Salemcourt (1462 posts)

      18. Thanks and good luck.

    • TRex (5734 posts)

      19. Don't be a stranger.

      Oh sweety, no just no, when I or those of us here talk about the ultra rich - it is NOT you! Not you by a longshot, oh my God did you think...no way you actually thought we meant you? Lord, this country is full of rich stupid people and you seem to be one of the worst. No sweety, you are just a low paid pawn to those ultra rich we talk about. They are wrecking the world, you are an enabler and I understand not being able to sleep at night. I wouldn't either, selling out our future. You have kids right?  
    • vattel (2642 posts)

      20. This site has suffered from your absence.

      You are the best.

    • Blackspade (4586 posts)

      21. Thanks buddy!

      Hope things are improving in your world. It’s rough hitting middle age and all it’s trials.

    • ZimInSeattle (2884 posts)

      22. Thanks Manny. Love this place. Vattel needs to go away.

      Proudly #DemExited & #LeftOut  | "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK | Bernie would have WON!  |“Fascism is a result of the failure of the left to provide an alternative” - Leon Trotsky | Sanders/Gabbard 2020 (PPP“People do not judge in the same way as courts of law; they do not hand down sentences, they throw thunderbolts; they do not condemn kings, they drop them back into the void; and this justice is worth just as much as that of the courts.” - Maximilien Robespierre, 7/28/1794
      • MannyGoldstein (2351 posts)

        41. No dice. Vattel’s the smartest person on this site.

        "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" - Upton Sinclair
        • MannyGoldstein (2351 posts)

          43. This is a test


          blah ha

          "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" - Upton Sinclair
          • so far from heaven (22272 posts)
            Village Idiot

            44. If it were an actual emergency

            you would have been told to bend over, stick you head back as far as you can and kiss your ass goodbye.

            The new editor looks intriguing. Does it allow LaTeX?

             "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
          • so far from heaven (22272 posts)
            Village Idiot

            45. o-k



             "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
          • so far from heaven (22272 posts)
            Village Idiot

            46. Reply To

            direct copy gif

            <a href=”https://imgur.com/izpCEBE”><img src=”https://i.imgur.com/izpCEBE.gif” title=”source: imgur.com” /></a>

            no workie. O-K how about as a direct link

            View post on imgur.com

            fuckin’ a now for a pic

            loaded right up as it should.

            What else is there to mess with?


            let’s try something stupid

             "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
    • Xyzse (4538 posts)

      23. Thank you for everything.

      I know I can be hard to talk to sometimes.

    • MrMickeysMom (2524 posts)

      24. Hey Manny!

      I hear it’s done like this….. Right??? Huh???

        That’s about the speed of my understanding hamsterkenetics right now!

      Hell no...I'm not giving up...     cat-gif-238.gif giphy.gif
    • Cleita (3609 posts)

      25. Beautiful essay, Manny.

      Thanks to you and Mary for all your dedication and hard work.

    • LiberalArkie (4364 posts)

      26. Thank you

    • Koko (6397 posts)

      27. You and Mary have made a vision a reality

      that got so many of us through the challenges of the 2016 elections, both before, and after.  Having a safe haven for Bernie supporters was a necessity after we saw the way things were going with the Dem Party and You, Mary and Matariki stepped up to the challenge and made this site a special place of refuge and enlightenment.

      Throughout all the personal challenges that both you and Mary have had, you continued to keep the site going and growing.  Keeping those greedy hamsters fed, as the site grew has got to have been a huge responsibility, while you were dealing with those personal challenges, and you will always be special in meeting that challenge that has kept so many of us sane in these past years.

      Hope you will be able to post here more, now that the hamsters are in the new owner’s hands.  Look forward to seeing the new site and wish the new owners all the best as they deal with the challenges of the Midterms and what follows.  They have a big job ahead in keeping the tone that you and Mary set for the site, but I’m hopeful that Both Your and Mary’s legacy will always be a guideline for JPR as it moves forward.


      “America’s come a long way in the short time since JPR was founded. And I believe that JPR’s had a little to do with that. And further, I believe that our site has helped people to find camaraderie; to celebrate the good, process the bad, and just shoot the breeze. And for that I thank Mary, Matariki, the hamsters, and every single person of good intentions who’s been a member of our community.”

      • Iwillnevergiveup (1114 posts)

        30. "Refuge and enlightenment." my sentiments exactly. Peace & Calm, Manny.thank u.

        We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.     Native American Proverb
      • Haikugal (7776 posts)

        36. Well said and I concur! Here’s to you Manny! A toast and well wishes.

        Thank you, you saved my sanity and gave me a home.

    • caliny (3025 posts)

      28. Thank you Manny, Mary, Matariki, and everyone who made this family for us

    • quinn (463 posts)

      29. Many, many thanks for this

      Take good thy self, for hopefully good times ahead.

    • Piperay (927 posts)

      31. THANKS for everything you've done

      to make JPR a success! :heart:

    • sorechasm (219 posts)

      32. With love and gratitude for giving us this platform for hope. Thank you Manny .

      And Mary. I wish for  you and your loved ones plenty of rest.

    • ravensong (2846 posts)

      33. Love you, Bhodisattva Goldstein Third Way Manny.

      Then one fine mornin’
      She turns on a New York station
      She doesn’t believe what she hears at all
      …not at all

      Bombers 4, A’s 3


      "Together, together, my friends, we have begun a political revolution to transform America, and that revolution, our revolution, continues!" ~  Bernie  
    • dreamnightwind (1787 posts)

      34. Beautiful post, Manny

      Good to hear from you again, and thanks for all you did to create and maintain this site. To better times.

    • chknltl (1196 posts)

      35. Can you ban She-She before you go? (nt because i can't 't')

    • OrwellwasRight (75 posts)

      37. Thank you!

      Been a fan of your for many years — going back to DU before it became DLC Central.  Thanks!

      “Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done.” - Louis D. Brandeis
    • snot (1517 posts)

      38. You're makin' me

      :cry: – in a good way!


      https://www.battleforthenet.com/                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         1% “To Do” list:

      1.  Control banking; 2.  Control communications (including “news” media); 3.  Control the government; 4.  Control education ; ....

    • carrotguy (561 posts)

      39. nice post

      i haven’t had the pleasure of reading many posts from you and i feel a little short changed =)    we are all indebted to the work done by the members you listed.    i just popped into the other place for nostalgia’s sake – what a shit-show.

      “bernie sanders did something good”

      “he is not the first to do it good – HRC also did the same things but wasn’t given as much credit this is inarguable”

    • Major Hogwash (5000 posts)

      40. Bernie in 2020!! Ya damned right! Take it easy, Manny. You're the best!

      Trump moya marionetka ~ Putin  
    • Gryneos (2696 posts)

      42. Thanks and hugs, Manny!

      Family is still more important, so it’s good y’all had others here who could take over as needed. JPR will continue on, no matter what the rest of the Internet thinks!


      "That's Jeff Vader, that is."__"I am not Jeff Vader, I am Darth Vader."__"What, Jeff Vader runs the Deathstar?"__"No, Jeff… No, I run the Deathstar."__"You Jeff Vader?"__"No, I'm Darth Vader!"__"Are you his brother? Can you get his autograph?"__"I can't get it… No, I'm… All right, I'm Jeff Vader! I'm Jeff Vader!"__"Can I have your autograph?"__"No, fuck off, or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne a la arabiata or you shall die. And you, and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!" Eddie Izzard, Circle
    • HIP56948 (4649 posts)

      47. Thank you so much for all the work you've done here. My Son…

      ..(who was banned from DU..after 12 years) told me you were one of the best posters on the web.  Take care!

      There are 2 types of people in this world. Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
    • Paulie (207 posts)

      48. Thanks for giving us a home

      I haven’t posted much these last couple years because living in Azeroth is preferable to reality.  Just came up and saw yours and Mary’s post.

      Wish you both well in the future.  If a ya come to Azeroth hit me up, you have a place with the Horde. :-)