Wow. I had no clue about this, and it definitely changes my opinion of the Warren campaign.

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    leftcoast mountains
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    #DestroyDems

  • #176425

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    So she has decided to pick up some of Herself’s baggage.  To me, she becomes more unlikeable day by day.

    2020 Campaign Season: We the People are in the fight for our lives and livelihoods.

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    She’s not even in my roundhouse. Thanks for posting.

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    Well then, I guess it  would be awkward for her campaign to bring up Biden treating Anita Hill shabbily.

    Brock wrote a best selling hit piece, The Real Anita Hill.

    And of course he was busy in the last Presidential cycle trying to line up journalist behind the idea of it being cool to smear Sanders, but a reporter with ethics exposed that.

     

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    Bernie is my choice, of course.  I sure hope he will be running.  But if he should not be running for whatever reason, I think any Democrat (even a 3rd Way Dem.) would be better than any Republican.  Just think of the Supreme Court for instance.  Ginsburg is doing her best to stay as long as she can.  Bless her!  But she can’t last forever.  We already have 5 Republican-appointed justices.  And their average age comes out to be much younger than that of the 4 Democratic-appointed justices.  Now, if there should be a count of 6 vs. 3 justices in favor of the Republicans — God help America!!!

    No Democratic president – not even a 3rd-way one – would ever appoint a right-winger  as Supreme Court justice.  They never have so far.  As I said above, I believe Bernie will be ready to run.  I trust him.  If he feels he is not healthy enough, he would be the first one to let the American people know.  He is totally honest and trustworthy.  He’ll let us know as soon as he can.

    If, God forbid! Bernie should not run, then every vote not cast by us because of a 3rd-way Dem. candidate, is one more vote to help a Republican to win.  We’ve got to think more broadly,  and take more views and reasons into consideration before we vote.  We simply can’t afford to have another Republican win the presidency in Nov. 2020.  It will be the end of democracy in our nation.  I see Bernie as our best hope for stopping our country from running into the gutter, turn around, and go uphill again.   A 3rd-way Democratic president would only slow our rush down into the gutter a little bit.  This will give us more time to get a Progressive into office the next election in 2024.   If a Republican wins in Nov. 2020, there might not even be any further elections.  The 2020 election could be our last one.

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    • #177615

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      Our first “Bernie, BUT” post!  Sniff!

      Bernie or Green.  And that’s my whole family.

      I think we need a Vote for the Blue No Matter Who group!

      • #177688

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        Does what I’ve written make any sense to you?  Do you believe as I do that our democracy, our way of life, is in danger – critical danger – of being rooted out and replaced with an Oligarchy, if not a total Dictatorship?  My guess is you don’t think the danger is so close yet.  You seem to feel relatively cool about the present situation we are in.   It’s a good way to be.   🙂

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        • #177695

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          I think the “total dictatorship” thing is yellow journalism, and I think what we call a Vichy Dem – a corporate Third Way centrist – would likely be even worse than Trump.  I think Hillary would have started a war by now, and she was poised to take 3% of everybody’s paycheck and hand it to Blackstone Group to gamble with and take fees from.  I think the rest of the pack – not Bernie and not Tulsi – would be warmongers and institute austerity.  You know Warren’s only problem with that bloated MIC killing machine budget?  Not the money, not the killing, but the appearance of corrupted lobbyists.  She would “regulate” them.  Oh, and Warren doesn’t want to shrink the military by any means, she wants it to be “green”.

          You can make all the snotty remarks you want, but IMO a corporate Democrat will be worse than Trump, with a big smile.  And every day I am happy that Hillary lost.  Every day.  Wall Street warmonger.

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        • #177992

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          ***SPOILER ALERT***

          Our democracy died quite a while ago, and we are already living in an oligarchy.

          His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
          but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
          and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
          more deadly than his right had been.

          • #178978

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            To Maedhros:  Hi.  I think our democracy is close to death, but not yet dead.  Bernie is the living proof.  He is still fighting.  I believe many people feel the same way and are supporting him.  We do have the numbers.  But the going will still be rough, since Big Business corporations have been practicing  fraudulent election and voting practices on a national scale over the past 4 decades.  Bribery and corruption are difficult to fight against.   We’ve got to support Bernie all the way.

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        • #178721

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          Just because a politician has a D next to their name doesn’t mean they want to end the Oligarchy. Nancy is speaker because of her fundraising abilities, not because she champions the little guy. Obama had golden opportunities to do so, but instead accelerated the wealth divide. He also pushed Tom Perez onto the DNC instead of Ellison. Not exactly a ‘champion of Democracy’ move coming on the heels of the 2016 DNC chicanery. I don’t trust many Dem candidates to even attempt to dismantle the monopolies that currently exist.

          As Trump, and Rs in general, say and do more and more harmful, stupid things, I understand the urge to say ‘anyone else would be better’. Maybe so, but some of those anyones are much better than others if you are looking to rejuvenate democracy and narrow the wealth gap.

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      I am with you in that thinking @cal22.  Bernie is where I am putting my effort but I know we cannot afford any longer loosing out to conservatives having any more control in the amount they have now. I do see getting a Progressive in Office and elsewhere as  a more realistic rising movement. Sooner rather than later.

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      • #177627

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        Not sure it matters. Democrats do it on the sly. Idiot Trump is just a loud mouth.

        #DestroyDems

        • #177721

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          To LeftCoast:

          “Democrats do it on the sly….”  Yes, ever since shortly after World War II.”  We’ve been turning nations upside down in the Middle East, Latin America, Asia.  Republicans, too.  And not necessarily on the sly.  I remember Mossadeqh, the legally elected prime minister of Iran.  We kicked him out and installed our preferred Shah of Iran instead.  And he turned out to be a poor choice.  This was in the 1950’s, I think.

          So, are you saying that now, instead of being the doer, we are being done to?  And it isn’t so pleasant being at the receiving end of the stick?  If so, I do agree.  It isn’t pleasant.  It started 2 generations ago.    Today the new doers are the international big business corporations, who have bought over the American Republican Party first, and now also much of the Democratic one.   I don’t think of these latter as Democrats.  They are more like Republicans, who have always leaned more towards greed and aggressive acts to satisfy that greed.

           

           

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      • #177993

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        No Progressive will be allowed to win the Democratic Primary.  The DNC will ensure that a “Centrist” will win.

        His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
        but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
        and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
        more deadly than his right had been.

      • #177997

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        To Glinda:

        Yes, I think that the majority of  Americans want change – real change.  We’ve been waiting for it for such a very long time, and most of us are fed up to the teeth with waiting, and still nothing is happening!  The DNC and Establishment Democrats, of course, don’t want things to change.  They’d be losing their jobs, money and power – the only things they are really interested in – and to hell with the rest of the nation.

        About this time 4 years ago I was thinking, “These people are no longer Democrats.  Progressives like Bernie are the real Democrats carrying on in the tradition of FDR.”  I was also thinking that if Bernie had started a Third Party at that time, almost all the Democratic and Independent Progressives would have joined him.  I certainly would have.  He was already describing himself as a Democratic Socialist, why not use that as a new Party Name?  At that time he was the most popular politician in America, and remained so for a few years.  He would have easily beaten both Hillary and Donald.  Monthly polls  steadily showed him beating both of them  60% to 40% for a whole year, right up to the end.  A  single poll or two might not have meant much, but a solid monthly poll with the same results for a year is something else.

        Even today, whenever Bernie goes somewhere to make a speech, he still draws huge crowds.  Critics say that his topics are nearly always the same: Universal Health Care,  $15 minimum hourly income, equality, free tuition at state colleges…..etc…..   Why should he leave out these topics when these problems are still present and plaguing the nation today?  The Republicans are responsible for not caring for the people.  They are still continuing their robbing of the middle-class and the poor in order to make the rich still richer.  I think these topics should be repeated until the problems have been solved, and not before.

         

         

         

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    • #177628

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      @cal22 Well, cry me a river, vote blue no matter whoer. I won’t, no matter how I’m pleaded with, lectured, threatened, or insulted. A vote for the Green is not a vote for Trump, period. For that matter, leaving the presidential line on the ballot blank is not a vote for Trump. I really wish you people would get those simple facts through your thick heads.

      As for slowing down the rush to the drain a “little bit,” ain’t nobody got time for that! Climate change is here, large and in charge. Another bribed, incrementalist Corruptocrat will do nothing of consequence to stop the world from burning. If the Democrats want my vote, then they need to give me someone I can vote for. Someone who might give my stepkids a chance to survive. If not, they can fuck off and lose. Again.

      And I’m not alone. There are millions of us across the country, and quite a few concentrated here in the Midwest. No Midwest, no hope of Democratic victory. Nominate another corrupt Vichy Democrat or even a reformer like Warren who associates with those Third Way slime and watch your blue team lose. Again. When will you learn?

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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        Agreed!

        Such a simple lesson, but the Democrats will never learn.

        His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
        but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
        and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
        more deadly than his right had been.

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        cal22
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        @Ohio Barbarian:  I am quoting 2 sentences from your post:  “A vote for the Green is not a vote for Trump, period. For that matter, leaving the presidential line on the ballot blank is not a vote for Trump. I really wish you people would get those simple facts through your thick heads.”

        @cal22:  Sometimes by making use of concrete examples, we can clarify a problem much more easily and simply.  You wrote:

        Ohio (1):  “A vote for the Green is not a vote for Trump,  period.  Cal22;  I fully agree.

        Ohio (2): “For that matter, leaving the presidential line on the ballot blank is not a vote for Trump.  Cal22:  Again I fully agree.

        cal22:  Now let’s see how things look from the point of view of a concrete example:  Let’s suppose that at one voting district there are exactly 100 votes from the  Democratic voters, and also exactly 100 voters from the Republican voters.  It’s a tie.

        There are also 5 Democratic voters who had not yet cast their votes, and are still talking among themselves.  They could not stand the sight of their candidate, and finally made up their minds.   They would leave the presidential line blank.

        HOW  THEY  VOTED

        A.  They couldn’t make themselves vote for the Democratic candidate,  He was simply too corrupt.

        B.  They couldn’t make themselves switch sides and vote for the Republican candidate – he was even worse.

        C.  Why not leave the space for president blank?  This way nobody will benefit from it.  And that was what they  thought and did.

        THE REASONING BEHIND THEIR DECISION

        1.  If they had voted for their own Party, the Democratic candidate would have won by 5 %
        2.  If they had voted for their opposition Party, the Republican would have won by 5 %.
        3.  Might as well leave the presidential line blank.
        4.                            THE FACT IS THAT  VOTING  IN THIS MANNER BY DEMOCRATS WOULD MEAN, on the contrary.
        5. (a) A loss of these votes by the Dem. candidate.                                                                                                                                                                                      (b)  The Republican Candidate wins by not having these votes cast against him.  It would have been 105 to 100 in the Dem.’s favor.  But, instead,
        6. the ratio has remained 100 to 100, in spite of the 5  extra Democratic votes having been used up, making the total number 105, while the Republicans have not changed their 100.  (i.e., the Reps. needed only 100 votes to tie up 105 Dem. votes).  Do you see this?  Now, how many voting booths are there nationwide?  In the hundreds of thousands?
        7. This maneuver of voting would only help the Republicans get more of a kick at the voting booths, and for fewer votes.  We Dems. would have to be using more votes to reach the same power level that the Repubs. can acquire with fewer.  This would be sheer foolishness on our part.

        I hope the above makes sense to you.  If not, ask a mathematician to explain.

         

        PS.  Please ignore some of the numbers (especially 4 and 5) at the left hand margin.  I can’t erase them without erasing some of the text, too.  Don’t remember ever having had this problem before.

        I was also having problems using my computer today.  I suppose everybody was.  And it lasted several hours.

         

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        • #179503

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          @cal22  @ohiobarbarian

          Cal22 – your basic premise is wrong, the premise that the most important thing to vote for is to “beat Trump”.    That’s the DNC party line, that is not why people should vote.  And that is not how people will vote.   That is not how people DO vote.   So all your “math” is in service to the DNC, not reality.

          I am wondering why the DNC is even bothering with primaries, since that seems to be the Campaign 2020 premise.  Oh, wait, all that lovely money to collect and distribute.  And that might put people off, dampen enthusiasm, best to pretend Bernie has a chance, and then try to rope in his supporters with “Beat Trump!” , eh?

          Spend the entire primary vilifying Bernie, his supporters, and his platform – and then blandly expect his supporters to vote for someone who is pretty much the exact opposite on the issues that affect us, no matter the campaign pandering blather. Yeah, start every exhortation with the now pretty obvious and amusing “I support/supported Bernie, BUT – please vote for the blue no matter who, because TRUMP!!!!  RUSSIA!!!!”.   No fucking sale, and that is really a very poor plan.  Hope it does not work this time, either!  (IMO those California totals are bullshit).

          And remember, even the DNC says that these days a “Democrat” stands for nothing except how a person is registered to vote.  There really is NO platform that actually means something.  All about the Benjamins now.  Capitalism and the markets and the rich.

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            @djean:  Your assumption about what my “basic premise” is, is wrong.  Trump has the type of personality that irritates everyone.  He is his own worst enemy.  He is not capable of becoming a real member of any organization, because he is unable to give something of himself for the general good.   He wants to have everything for himself – first, foremost and last.  He is the narcissist of narcissists.  And what he wants can change at any time, too.   Big business corporations and their minions are supporting him at the present time because he is useful to them (giving tax reductions to the richest of the rich, for example, which also includes himself).  But once things should get rough for him, they wouldn’t hesitate to drop him like a hot potato.  Trump is a dangerous president to have because of his sheer and haphazard ignorance.  Oftentimes he doesn’t seem to know what he’ll be doing next – the first idea that comes to his mind, perhaps?  There are other Republicans who, as president, could be more dangerous than he – but calculatingly so.

            What I would like to see is to have the big Corporations lose their death-hold grip on us.  It’s an awfully big job to loosen this grip.  And at the present time I think the only politician who is eminently capable of making a good job of it is Bernie Sanders.   That would be the day:  Progressives holding the power, and Big Business brought down to proper size – with liberty and justice for all.

             

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        • #179624

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          @cal22 Let me put this as succinctly and concisely as I can. I don’t care if my refusal to vote for a corrupt corporate Democrat is seen by you or anyone else as somehow helping the equally corrupt Republican. If Democrats want me to vote for their candidates, then they need to nominate people who I can support and vote for, which means someone who will enact policies that will help my socioeconomic class and give my descendants a chance to exist, and hopefully to live a decent life. Corruptocrats never do that. They

          The reasons I don’t care are legion. I was once like you, but all I got with local conservative Democrats, Clinton, and Obama were policies that were Republican in nature, and those are unacceptable to me. Besides, Vichy Dems are so weak. Even when directly attacked, like Trump is attacking Hunter Biden for getting $600K a year because of who is daddy is, Joe Biden is so stupid and weak he can’t at least point out that Jared and Ivanka made $82 MILLION last year.

          And there’s a reason for that. The corporate Dems like the corruption as much as the Republicans do. They don’t see anything wrong with it. They also have no problem with a warmongering foreign policy, supporting the genocide in Yemen, or putting kids in cages on the border. If they did, they would have impeached Trump for those things years ago, but they did not. No, they impeach him because he dared go after one of their own, personally.

          They’re disgusting. They’re weaselshit. I will never vote for them.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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            cal22
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            @ohiobarbarian:  I’m quoting you: “… The corporate Dems like the corruption as much as the Republicans do. They don’t see anything wrong with it. They also have no problem with a warmongering foreign policy, supporting the genocide in Yemen, or putting kids in cages on the border. If they did, …”

            I agree with you totally and would even go a step further than you:  The corporate Dems,  are stretching out one hand to receive money from the corporations, and with the other hand they are at the same time also begging for votes from the Democratic-voting population.  The corporate Dems. are doing their best to benefit from both sides.

            What I intend to do in the present election is to vote for Bernie in the Primaries and hope that he wins.  If he does win, I’ll also vote for him in the general elections.

            If Bernie should lose in the Primaries, which he very well could, because I expect the DNC to carry out the same or similar dishonest means and dirty tricks they had used to “win” in 2016.  Bernie would have easily beaten Trump in 1916.  I’ve written in a previous post that there was a polling organization that compared Bernie vs. Clinton and Bernie vs. Trump once a month at that time, and it lasted a whole year.  The results remained almost a steady 60% for Bernie vs. 40% for the other two.  Winning a few times might not have meant much, but winning every time on a monthly basis for  nearly a year is something else.  And the crowds Bernie used to draw wherever he had gone to make a speech!!  He was a phenomenon!  He was the most popular American politician then, and very likely still is today.  The 90% Republican-owned MSM, of course, hardly ever mention him at all.  This is being done deliberately.  They’re doing their best to help the people forget about Bernie.  They know he can beat them, and are afraid of him.

            The  majority of the American people are sick and tired of the economic and political situation that had started with Ronald Reagan 40 years ago.  We want change.  Real change.  But the Republicans and the Third Way Democrats don’t want to change.  Bernie does want it, and he is telling us what changes he is going to make if he wins.   His 35-year history of government work shows all the evidence we need of a steady, talented, honest, hard-working, and caring individual , who will do his best for the whole nation.  And we do trust him.

            I’m sure you agree with what I’ve written thus far.   Now comes the point of where we have our differences:  The leaders of most of our big business corporations have now joined with their counterparts in other countries.  Big business has become international.  They are trying to become ever bigger, and eventually dominate the world — at the expense of the middle-classes and the poor, for whom it would mean more misery, pain, and earlier death.  And this is immoral, to say the least.  I know I am making an understatement.

            There are different degrees of immorality, and different ways for people to express their immorality.  Some of these hold back on their actions because of fear – the fear of either punishment or a loss of some kind, if they should carry out what they would like to do.

            I think that Republican politicians have been bought over completely by the business corporations — lock, stock, and barrel — whereas the Third Way Democratic politicians have the added difficulty of, for example, at least trying to look a little more caring about people.  This would make it easier for them to be elected by Democratic voters.  Republican politicians have fewer of these inhibitions, so they are freer to express  more openly what’s on their minds.

            Examples of what could result from the considerations mentioned in the paragraph above:  Physically:  Laws enacted by Republican politicians could be expected to show more cruelty, misery and pain for the have-nots.    Politically:  Few, if any, Third Way Democratic politicians would consider the idea of voting a Republican into the office of Supreme Court Justice.  It would mean more profit for the few rich, and more misery for the poor.  The main reason for voting this way is that this politician would surely lose in the next election,  if she/he didn’t.

            So, if Bernie should lose in the Democratic Primaries, I would vote for any Democrat over any Republican in the General Elections.  It’s a very practical and simple way to be of real help in decreasing the pain and misery of people in general, and of the have-nots in particular.  I have no great love for the Third Way politician, but I think the average Third Way Democratic politician does less harm to the American people than the average Republican one.

             

             

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            • #182085

              Ohio Barbarian
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              @cal22 I disagree with you exactly where you thought I would. I don’t think the corporate Dems are any better than the Republicans because, without them, the Republicans would not be as crazy as they are. In fact, the Vichy Democrats, from Bill Clinton on, made first Newt Gingrich, then Bush/Cheney, now Trump, and if they maintain control of the Democratic Party, the next even worse Republican inevitable.

              It’s the corruption. It’s the kleptocracy(literally government by thieves, which our governments both federal and local largely are now), it’s unchecked capitalism. Throw in the fact that climate change is large and in charge, and the fact that we need fundamental structural change yesterday in order to have a chance for future generations even to exist, and for me, a vote for a Republican or a Vichy Dem is a vote for civilizational suicide.

              I will vote for life, thank you very much.

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            @ohiobarbarian

            Yarp! Everyone in the race has a better understanding than ever about the idea of the party not owning people’s votes. Hence the newly professed love of Medicare for All, or a pale version of it, or at the barest minimum a recognition that the people are demanding much better than what they’re getting from the ACA.

            Voters like you, and basically everyone here, and the Sanders movement, are a big part of why this is the case.

            Though of course that doesn’t mean that traditional loyalties won’t be appealed to, and with a lot of success.

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    @cal22:

    Thank you so much for making me laugh out

    loud. One needs that every now and then.

    A: Bernie is running, he has not stopped!

    B:I feel sorry for people, who still believe that

    we have a two party system; that means that

    the propaganda works. We have one party only;

    and that is the corporate party.

    C:Pointing to the Supreme court is pretty useless,

    when the “Dems” allow 16 Federal judges to be

    appointed by the “Reps”. Those are permanent

    positions, but campaigning at home was so much

    more important to the “Dems”.

    D: The idea that the “Dems” are democratic is a

    joke. The late example of the 16 primaries have

    shown us that. We know that the DNC has worked

    to make sure that in 20 we get a brokered convention.

    I don’t fall for their fear mongering anymore!

    Lastly, looking at all the wars you have mentioned,

    President Carter calculated that since the start

    of the Union there were only 16 years without

    military interventions or adventures. The wealthy

    profit and the rest has to pay for those. The USA

    has never been a country for peace, no matter who

    sits in Congress or the WH. Thieves have no honor.

    If you wrote all this in earnest belief, you have my

    condolences; but I don’t think so.

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    @leftcoastmountains:

    I did not know this either, but am not surprised

    in the least. Having observed Warren over the years

    she has struck me more and more as an opportunist.

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    Any candidate that has David Brock working for them isn’t getting my vote.

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  • #178569

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    at this rate it’s 90% likely dems willensure warren is nominee and she loses to trump.a real progressive would see warren is a fraud.forget those anoymas rich types saying they wouldn’t support warren.warren is supported by hilary,the establishment an dbillionaries.she will move to cente rin ge with neoliberal vp pick and is doa in general election.trump will unleash all her lies.and some progressive bernie supporters will vote green or not vote.

    if you screa supreme court at me it ha sbeen lost for a generation thanks to dems.it’s corporate court now with guranted conservative majority for decades now.warren voted for trump’s defense budgets and is supported by aipac.she will be no change from hilary on foregin policy.

  • #179000

    bazukhov
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    Gosh!!   I sure won’t vote for Paul Egerman.

    Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

  • #180293

    eridani
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    @eridani

    WaPo Goes After Warren With a Posse of Centrist Sources

    Loks like the PTB are settling on Warren as an alternative to Sanders.

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/10/09/wapo-goes-after-warren-posse-centrist-sources

    The Democratic Party has many leaders from both its left and right wings; for the Post, the adjective “some” serves to obscure the fact that its sources expressing those doubts are almost exclusively from the right.

    People like former Sen. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, who lost her 2018 re-election campaign (in which she emphasized how often she voted with Trump) by more than 10 percentage points—who better to turn to for an opinion about how to win an election?

    Or there’s consultant Donna Bojarsky, who has donated to Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar and Cory Booker—all representatives of the corporate wing of the party. How about former Obama adviser David Plouffe, who went on to flack for Uber after his Obama years, and now runs policy for Mark Zuckerberg’s philanthropy company? Then you have self-described “radical centrist” Mitch Landrieu, who told the Post:

    [Warren] says she can do all these things. There’s a thing called political reality…. Aspiration is wonderful, but you can’t eat aspiration for lunch and send your kids to college on it. That’s a fundamental decision that Democratic primary voters need to make a decision on.

    Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

  • #185329

    davidpdx
    Member
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    @davidpdx

    I really hate Brock and that does sour me on Warren. She has made some big mistakes.

    American living abroad in South Korea and a proud progressive.

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