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  • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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    WSWS: Why sites like theirs, and ours, are targeted for censorship.

    Most of you have heard how progressive and leftist websites are being targeted by algorithms used by search engines such as Google in order to prevent people from easily finding them on the internet. This article on the World Socialist Web Site explains the real reason why, and uses Federal Reserve data to back up their conclusion, which is:

    Fearful that the technological advances of the Internet and social media platforms can increase access to alternative political viewpoints, the oligarchy has initiated a campaign to censor left-wing websites and crack down on social media platforms in the name of blocking “Russian interference” in the US political system. Without a shred of credible evidence to back their claims, newspaper editors, TV talking heads, Senate and House committee members, corporate executives, trade union leaders and academics are engaged in a mad rush to censor the Internet and protect the population from “fake news.”

    The anti-fake news censorship and blacklisting initiative is an escalation of a years-long campaign by the ruling class to create the framework for police state methods of rule. At the same time, the growth of social inequality revealed in the Federal Reserve figures points to the inexorable intensification of social and class conflict in the United States, the objective foundation for socialist revolution.

    I highly recommend this one, and it would be a good one to bookmark, because it is loaded with government charts and graphs that show the gigantic and growing inequality of wealth in this country in the most in-your-face manner I have yet seen. They would be very useful to political candidates like Bernie Sanders as well.

    Edit to add some more of my own thoughts per request. 

    I asked myself just who the likely Americans are who are likely to be interested in non-corporate news and opinion outlets, and I didn’t have to look very far. It’s most of you who are reading this. We come from all walks of life, have incomes from the bottom 10% through 80% or higher in a few cases, tend to have a good education even if it was largely self-taught, and we consider practicing and advocating good public policy to be more important than being focused on our widely varying spiritual beliefs or lack thereof. IOW, most of us are agnostic enough not to pretend to know Everything About How The Universe Works.

    Or you could say we are simply capable of critical thinking and know enough that we don’t know everything, and that’s just part of being human.

    We are also not benefiting from the rule of the financial aristocracy, the oligarchy, the MIC+, or whatever you want to call our ruling classes. We question more. Yes, that’s an RT slogan, but isn’t questioning more what journalism is supposed to do? Families that have seen their standards of living steadily if slowly decline over 3 generations have every right to ask why this is happening to them, and the answer to that question lies in government policies and the motivations behind those policies. We know that this is important stuff.

    So we explore for answers, and for a number of years now, have been helped in our quest by alternative news sources such as RT America, TYT, the reader’s news, the Intercept, WSWS, BAR, consortium news and many more. Internet forums such as SV in the early 2000’s and JPR today provide like-minded people the ability to share knowledge at minimal cost.

    Only a real republic governed by true participatory democracy has a vested interest in maintaining and increasing a well-educated population. The more educated people are, the more capable of critical thinking that they are, the better the representative system of government can be. It just makes for a much cooler and fun and just society.

    We Americans don’t live in a real republic like that, and a lot of us want to. Maybe that is the real American Dream that has yet to be achieved. It’s possible, it’s doable, but the ruling classes have a vested interest in avoiding that scenario, so they will do their best to prevent us from sharing knowledge, learning, networking, and cooperating in order to accomplish even our most fundamental common goals.

    Our ruling classes like the direction of those charts and graphs produced by the Federal Reserve. Hell, the Board members are using them to brag to their Wall Street masters about what a wonderful job they are doing for them! The last thing they want is for the bottom 90% to understand that financial capitalism has directly caused those living standard trends, and so they try to suppress sources of information on that subject. You don’t see them going after Breitbart or Fox or Limbaugh, now do you?

    Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.

    We should all be really pissed off about this and start thinking about some ways to raise some hell about it. I am open to ideas.

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    • duckpin (5578 posts)
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      1. There is accurate news at WSWS that you find nowhere else. It's strong

      point is international working class issues and solidarity.

      "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        4. And its weak point is uncompromising attacks on people like Bernie Sanders

        because he isn’t a Trotskyite, but it’s still a worthwhile site and shouldn’t be targeted for censorship. I guess the First Amendment just doesn’t apply anymore.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • duckpin (5578 posts)
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          34. A WSWS weak point is also that the SEP can only foresee universal worker

          solidarity and  mass action or nothing. I don’t see, yet, an appreciation for the emergent peasant proletariat at the site.

          A decided additional plus is that opinion is confined either to the last two paragraphs of a long article or a separate editorial. Of course, what they don’t cover and what they do cover reflects their viewpoint but that’s also an issue of time, money, and space.

          I think they are correct to criticize Senator Sanders for not wanting to replace global capitalism root and branch but then the Senator never professed to being a capital “S” socialist in the first place so harping on Bernie is out of line in my opinion. Also, Sen. Sanders made a very important foreign policy speech several weeks ago that takes him out of the  donor class handcuffs and aligns himself with the majority of Americans.

          Still, in all, when Truthout, Think Progress have become worthless to me, and Truthdig and       CounterPunch have gone downhill, it’s a site I visit everyday.

          "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
    • hopemountain (2336 posts)
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      2. what are some ways we can continue to

      https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/problem-logging-in-today/

      communicate when we are censored? i had trouble logging in today and this site was not “available earlier today using firefox.

      creeps me out & angers me,  to be honest.

      "economic and environmental justice is spiritual work." ~ tom b. k. goldtooth .... "question everything – including, organizations touting labels proclaiming stewardship of living things and high ideals when in truth, they fanatically practice the stewardship of exploitation, greed, and destruction."
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        5. Huh. I didn't have that problem today at all. I wonder why.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • GZeusH (2306 posts)
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          12. I had an unusual problem

          I’ve taken to carting my little notebook with me everywhere that has Wi-Fi.  I’ve been able to log into JPR everywhere EXCEPT at KFC.  Makes me think the colonel was a Confederate sympathizer.

          Policy:  The mistaken notion that bossy people have that they can influence other people's behavior through majority rule.
          • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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            13. Lol. Always thought he was too jolly.

            There are way too many “honorary colonels” from the former Confederate states. Goes all the way back to prerevolutionary militia colonels. George Washington was one under the British in the French and Indian War.

            I think the term has outlived its usefulness.

            Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • hopemountain (2336 posts)
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          16. i'm thinking because google has a huge stake in firefox/mozilla.

          so far they’ve restrained themselves…but, perhaps those days are over.

          "economic and environmental justice is spiritual work." ~ tom b. k. goldtooth .... "question everything – including, organizations touting labels proclaiming stewardship of living things and high ideals when in truth, they fanatically practice the stewardship of exploitation, greed, and destruction."
    • Flygirl (3018 posts)
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      3. Thank you for posting this!!! I am keeping it!!!

      According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        6. You are most welcome. Glad you like it.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • duckpin (5578 posts)
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      7. The thing is that is you google WSWS you will get it but if WSWS did a story

      on uranium contamination in Niger, for example, you would not be directed to the WSWS article.

      "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        8. Correct. It's the same thing with JPR now. Things show up on the Duck but not on

        Google. I’ve tried it.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • duckpin (5578 posts)
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          9. It's a more subtle and more insideous form of censorship & censorship is

          exactly what it is.

          "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
          • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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            10. Absolutely it's censorship in the name of "defending our democracy."

            A guest lecturer at work said yesterday that whenever we heard the word “democracy” they usually mean “capitalism.” I couldn’t believe it, but I loved it. I doubt they’ll invite him back!

            Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
            • duckpin (5578 posts)
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              11. Yes his employment prospects took a hit! But, something like this means

              people are losing, or have lost, their fear of calling out capitalism for the  murderous system that it is…So, it’s a positive. Also positive, is that people 35 and younger prefer socialism to capitalism.

              "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
        • NJCher (2414 posts)
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          31. great

          ‘cuz I changed my browser search engine options to the Duck. I was wondering, however, if they in some way depended on Google.

          Sounds like not.

          Here’s another option. I think leftie sites need to publicize this and foster a culture of not using Google. There are many options.


          Cher

           

           

          • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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            33. Thank you, that is most useful, but I don't trust Bing. That is Microsoft's

            search engine and we have it at work. In my humble opinion, if it hasn’t changed algorithms like Google did, it soon will, and it sucks in the first place.

            Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • Silver Witch (5696 posts)
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      14. We need not fear their censorship…

      When we censor ourselves.

      #Let'sTalkRevolution
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        15. Good idea. I'll censor myself right now.

        But I love you anyway.  

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • Silver Witch (5696 posts)
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          24. Love you too Ohio Barbarian

          thankfully we can agree to disagree. That is what I love about many people hear.

          #Let'sTalkRevolution
    • Marym625 (27308 posts)
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      17. Thank you!

      Excellent information

      Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Marym625 (27308 posts)
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      18. On The Daily Radical!

      Thank you.

      Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Marym625 (27308 posts)
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      19. Lee Camp just retweeted your article

      Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        20. Wow! I'm honored, but not totally surprised. Lee Camp is on RT. Our

        ruling class is trying to black them out in America. This is a fundamental First Amendment issue if I’ve ever seen one, and I have seen plenty.

        Besides, I met him after his show in Cleveland just a few miles from my house, and conversed with him briefly. None of his shirts were big enough for my 2-3X self, and I told him so. It was a great show and very nice to meet him.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • Marym625 (27308 posts)
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          21. Lucky you!

          I wonder if he knows this is you.

           

          Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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            22. If he remembers the middle-aged fat white guy with white hair and beard who

            mentioned JPR and the fact that all of his shirts were for disgustingly healthy, younger people, he may. He’s a very sharp guy.

            Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
            • Marym625 (27308 posts)
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              28. Ha

              I have no idea if he does. :lol:

              Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Dragonfli (1351 posts)
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      23. Excellent information, outstanding personal commentary

      I decided to reply before reading other replies first so as to maintain my objective analytical and experiential views, not that they might differ but rather because I didn’t want to inadvertently feel anything in my response might be redundant and be tempted to leave it out (which often happens to the point where I very often don’t reply at all).

      • Most people with critical thinking skills are very interested in less scripted, sanitized, propagandized and “coded to program” rather than enlighten “news” and information as expressed in the corporate outlets of all types of media and knowledge, be it Chicago economics (voodoo nonsense doomed to instability and ruin) taught in universities, TV or printed “news” or opinion journals – be they written in periodicals or via mainstream web outlets.

      The reasons are obvious to any that have studied how populations react to wealth disparity and caste/class systems that are effectively feudal in nature, no matter if the organization of society is technically feudal or appears outwardly as a different type of social system. The aristocrats may be called kings & lords, prime ministers (or presidents) & politicians of varied ranks, but the true power of aristocracy is held in the hands of those with the most gold which reap the benefits of the labours of all those beneath them in the pyramid while producing no actual value, service, or labor whatsoever.

      Seldom, although occasionally, the kings and lords are those atop the pyramid, but more often it is the Borgias, the Medicis, the Kochs, the Bezos, the Corps., etc. who hold the power and just use the royalty, the politicians, or whatever the era decides to call the outward power which holds the whip and noose to keep the serfs in line so they may be profitable chattel bred solely to enrich further those with the gold.

      The serfs produce everything of value in society while this system ensures they reap ever less, in fact as little as possible of the fruit of their efforts. The serfs ALWAYS (after becoming a bit too hungry and oppressed) begin to look for answers, they at this point of suffering glean fully that the official criers, priests, or declarations of kings are lies and false promises meant to tame and control them. They begin to seek the truth in forbidden songs, covert plays and in modern times, folk lyrics and socialist truth telling (in this age specifically the freedom of voices seeking and finding truth via the web). Only those that benefit from the feudal order and know posh comforts demure uninterested in truth as they gladly consume the pablum fed to them by official sources. We have reached that point of serfdom wherein the serfs begin to question why they eat gruel, die of illness, are molded into cannon fodder while the aristocrats bath in gold tubs and never toil or want for medicine, food, luxury, or safety.

      • This is the greatest danger they have ever faced, the printing press made them “shit their pants”, but a free and open outlet to share information, offer thoughts and solutions on a global and local scale, a fully shared space to question the lie that keeps 99.9% of a population docile while so very small a percentage remain safely atop a system that drains everything that that 99.9% produce is a grave and fatal threat to the ever regenerating feudal structure.

      A mere .1% (which includes their middling servants and minions of deceit and control) keep damn near everything while so vast a majority toil, suffer and die just so they, the very, very, few, can enjoy nearly all the collective fruits of those that so completely outnumber them. They should lie, project power far beyond their meager number, they should fear the awakening of such a vast army of docile chattle, for if 99.9% of humanity ever fully groks how small their oppressors numbers truly are, the sheep may become the largest pack of wolves ever seen, and they, the lofty, soft and fattened infinitesimal herd of veal would be devoured before the first 1% of the wolves finished taking a bite.

      They will do everything they can to destroy something so powerful that it could awaken the docile masses to the truth of the power such an overwhelming majority could wield if the chattel ever look up from their grazing and cart pulling and see how small the master with the whip truly is. Make no mistake, they are too afraid of the power of truth not to try to completely destroy this new, this most dangerous threat they have ever faced – a free and open internet connecting the masses and showing them truth while providing a vehicle to effectively organize.

      • We in America do not live in a real Republic governed by a democracy of choice of those we would have represent us, our concerns, or our policies. This reality is evidenced by the discrepancies of policies that poll the highest yet are abandoned or completely inverted by those we elect to fulfill those policies that poll so well with us. We are given false choices of puppets bred and groomed to do the bidding of those with the gold. There are a few exceptions yes, but those that are not in service of those with gold face a rigged game, a fixed count, and systemic obstacles put in place to keep our chosen policies as expressed by those (we in theory elect to fulfill our wishes) and enact our chosen policies, from ever becoming actualized.

      We Americans live in an inverted totalitarianism, all the levers of power are held by those with the wealth, the aristocracy, the Borgias. The rest is merely window dressing, a puppet show designed to lend the appearance of a democratic republic. We will have to win back any form of democracy before achieving anything, for we no longer live in one. The american dream is a staged illusion, a movie production using poor actors to play parts casts by idiots that believe we are even more idiotic than the producers that put forth such a piss poor illusion, such a bad script, such a crappy play.

      Since we have to fight simply to live in any form of democracy at this point anyway, I personally would prefer we try to fight for a social democracy similar to the nordic model, perhaps one that if our populace chooses could evolve into a proper form of democratic socialism wherein the workers own the means of production (possibly via coop ventures as often spoken of by Professor Wolff), but in all truth at this point any return of democracy, and with it the hope that the policies wanted by the people might become laws written by those we elect to do so, would be a gift earned both by enormous struggle and a generous portion of help from all the Gods and Goddesses combined in my opinion.

      On a personal note, thank you for some seldom read (at least by me) acknowledgements in this passage –

      “I asked myself just who the likely Americans are who are likely to be interested in non-corporate news and opinion outlets, and I didn’t have to look very far. It’s most of you who are reading this. We come from all walks of life, have incomes from the bottom 10% through 80% or higher in a few cases, tend to have a good education even if it was largely self-taught,

      I am so often looked down upon, trivialized, condescended to, you fuckin’ name it, because I was raised below the poverty line, have lived homeless, and am almost completely self educated. It may be true that for a time, the trades afforded me a “blue collar middle class” fairly comfortable life, and on a whim I did take the GED just for the fun of acing it, yet I am usually seen as having an opinion that just doesn’t matter because I lack college degrees and a nice suburban home.

      I very much respect that you see those like myself in a way that appears to show you consider me (and others like me) as your equal. 

      “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

        

      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        25. That reply is…magnificent. Thank you. When I wrote that bit about some of us

        being taught, I admit I was thinking about you and a few others I’ve met thru JPR, but also of my wife and a fair number of people of all ages I’ve met who live in my neighborhood and my city. They love their public libraries in Ohio, for good reason. If it’s not the best state system in the country, it’s close. And they use them.

        Yet another thing our ruling class would love to be rid of. They want us to be ignorant, superstitious serfs. Things like libraries and internet information sources are clear threats to their power, for all of the reasons you so eloquently stated. It’s an uphill battle for us to win our representative democracy, and it’s going to be a hard slog, but we simply have to wage that political war and win, or else our grandkids will be ignorant, illiterate serfs worshiping some mythical sky god who smiles upon the masters to whom they must bow in an openly feudal system.

        They are destroying our public education system and suppressing our access to factual information in an obvious power play with a longterm objective. We have to fight back for the long haul, as well, and harder, than they fight us. I know it sucks, but we’re stuck with what we’ve got in the here and now. The only advantage we have is that we have a lot to gain and very little to lose in comparison with our ruling class.

        So we have to scream or protest or do whatever we can to save our access to knowledge, and each other, on the internet. And most Americans will agree with us if we can just get them to think about it for a minute or two.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • Dragonfli (1351 posts)
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          26. The times are changin' one way or the other

          Come gather ’round people
          Wherever you roam
          And admit that the waters
          Around you have grown
          And accept it that soon
          You’ll be drenched to the bone
          If your time to you
          Is worth savin’
          Then you better start swimmin’
          Or you’ll sink like a stone
          For the times they are a-changin’.

          Come writers and critics
          Who prophesize with your pen
          And keep your eyes wide
          The chance won’t come again
          And don’t speak too soon
          For the wheel’s still in spin
          And there’s no tellin’ who
          That it’s namin’
          For the loser now
          Will be later to win
          For the times they are a-changin’.

          Come senators, congressmen
          Please heed the call
          Don’t stand in the doorway
          Don’t block up the hall
          For he that gets hurt
          Will be he who has stalled
          There’s a battle outside
          And it is ragin’
          It’ll soon shake your windows
          And rattle your walls
          For the times they are a-changin’.

          Come mothers and fathers
          Throughout the land
          And don’t criticize
          What you can’t understand
          Your sons and your daughters
          Are beyond your command
          Your old road is
          Rapidly agin’
          Please get out of the new one
          If you can’t lend your hand
          For the times they are a-changin’.

          The line it is drawn
          The curse it is cast
          The slow one now
          Will later be fast
          As the present now
          Will later be past
          The order is
          Rapidly fadin’
          And the first one now
          Will later be last
          For the times they are a-changin’.

          “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

            

        • Coldmountaintrail (3690 posts)
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          30. Destroying education, on the road to destroying the usefulness of the internet,

          and destroying books and book culture as well.

          Anything on the internet can be blacked out or edited in a moment.  same with online books.

          = people can be made to believe any damn thing/history disappears.

           

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        29. +++

    • Dragonfli (1351 posts)
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      27. You nearly always make me think, I resolve to think of ways to raise some Hell!

      Knowledge is a weapon they fear. We can and will fight like pissed off pagans to keep information free, open and accessible. Being clinically obsessive has it’s upside. No way in hell will I even be able stop thinking about ways to stop them from silencing the truths they fear the most and are trying to block! The first Idea is to find developers working on open source “peer to peer” based search engine software. They can’t really control P2P, or sabotage open source (because a world of programmers can continually improve or inspect the code)

      “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall

        

    • NJCher (2414 posts)
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      32. this is encouraging, however

      I heard a program on NPR about an organization that is encouraging millennials to run for office.  I think I read here that 6,000 candidates have been elected to office. The point is made that a lot of decisions that affect our day-to-day lives are made on the local level:  school board decisions, for example.

      I think this may have been the organization, but not sure:

      https://www.runfor.us


      Cher

    • fluff (597 posts)
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      35. "tend to have a good education even if it was largely self-taught"

      Have you looked at the demographics for this site on Alexa?

      https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/jackpineradicals.com

      Scroll to the bottom.  This website is almost exclusively used by those with Graduate School credentials.  As someone holding a mere B.A. I appear to be one of the least formally educated people on this site.

       

      Remember, remember the 6th of November 2018.
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        36. You and me both then. I'm not sure I trust alexa, either.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • duckpin (5578 posts)
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          37. Of course one could point out the two are not mutually exclusive. If a person

          majored in economics, except in very rare unies, that person got lied to and indoctrinated instead of educated and needs to do independent work to learn how the political economy works. Most get the neoclassical synthesis or  Austrian School(U of Chicago) which is Malice in Blunderland and is nothing but capitalist apologetics. Much of Anthropology is poor too. History? Establishment propaganda in large measure.

          "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
          • fluff (597 posts)
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            38. One of those U of Chicago economists just got nominated for a Nobel.

            For proving that people do not always make rational decisions about saving money for retirement.  Apparently this fact is amazing news to economists.

            Now, will he make the grand jump to a further conclusion, “thus forcing everyone into self directed retirement by getting rid of pensions and weakening Social Security was not such a good idea after all”?

             

            Remember, remember the 6th of November 2018.
            • duckpin (5578 posts)
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              39. That's about the way this prize goes. One economist won for his work on

              “portfolio management.” And then one person won who went on to found the hedge fund Long Term Capital Management(I hope that’s the correct name) and it employed so much leverage that when Russia defaulted it plunged the capitalist core into crisis and a taxpayer bailout was needed.

              Beefing up Social Security, with increased contributions from workers and owners, and offering full portability, is my preferred universal retirement system.

              The 401K system, and related schemes, benefits the investment industry. They charge 1% per year for just holding your money. That means if you have $100,000 in your retirement account, they grab $1,000 just for keeping it on the books. Advice and investments are extra and, now, no due diligence.

              "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
          • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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            42. Not my history professors, some of whom were denied tenure when the

            Chicago School of “thought” took over when that became convenient for our PTB. Too much schooling on the history of capitalism itself, from a variety of philosophical perspectives, including Marxist, Weberian, and Keynesian schools, were deemed counterproductive to the interests of some of the university’s donors.

            Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
            • duckpin (5578 posts)
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              45. I am happy for you – you got an honest education and probably the critical

              thinking that went along with these empirical teachings.

              Keynes was OK – his “General Theory…” is a landmark in my reading. J.K. Galbraith was another non-Marixst who got it right much more than he erred.

              I did some rereading today and came upon these gems from Larry Summers(0bama’s top econ advisor) that Summers wrote when he was chief economist for the World Bank. “The economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that.”  ” The measurement of the costs of health impairing pollution depends on the foregone earnings  from increased morbidity and mortality. From this point of view a given amount of health impairing pollution  should be done in a country with the lowest cost which will be the country of the lowest wages.”

              Let that sink it. This is the CFR and orthodox economics speaking. Everything, including human well being and all of nature is reduced to profitability or lack thereof by these deranged capitalists.

              I think these words of Summers should be prominently displayed and seen daily because this is what THEY are doing to US.

              "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
              • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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                46. Summers is as brutal as Malthus was. If it's profitable to let people die from

                pollution, then let them die. Of course, Summers himself was never one of the people put at risk of dying. Classic aristocratic attitude. The plebes aren’t really people, so why worry about them?

                Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
                • duckpin (5578 posts)
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                  47. Yes. I wrote that out because it is as naked a statement of class contempt as

                  you run across. The lesson I take from this, or one of the lessons, if that when a country complains about being driven to bankruptcy by the World Bank, IMF, or both, or whomever, that country is probably correct. The World Bank exists to extract profit from poor  countries and take that profit away from those nations to the core capitalist countries.

                  And, I agree: it’s almost as though Summers is channeling Malthus whom we should remember was a Christian clergyman.

                  "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
    • Eleanors38 (642 posts)
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      40. Q: Why does the FBI have a hard time tracking down RW extremists?

      A: Lack of job experience.

      Ba-da BOOM!

      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        43. I am obviously too stupid or ignorant to get that one. Please elucidate.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • Eleanors38 (642 posts)
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          48. The FBI does little work in the area of right wing extremism.

          • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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            49. True, the only examples I can think of off the top of my head are when LBJ

            ordered them to break the Klan in the 1960’s, and the Oklahoma City bombing investigation.

            Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • D504 (146 posts)
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      41. Lately, I've been getting diverted…

      to the Mozilla help screen, when I try to go to JPR. It’s happened 3 times now.

      Today, I had to go back 3 times as every time I tried I got the same screen.

      Sent a complaint.

      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        44. Mozilla. Silicon Valley. Corporate Dems? I am too ignorant to speculate on

        this, but perhaps you should follow the money on your own.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • Aerows (4028 posts)
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      50. How dare you get ideas!?

      That seems to be the flavor.

      Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        51. I know, I know. Parents, teachers, employers, all have had problems with this

        tendency of mine. Relatives say I remind them of now-deceased characters in the family. Like grandpa, who was a Communist, or an older cousin who dodged the draft, or how old Francois who fought in Washington’s Continental Army for 8 years must have been, characters like that.

        Now I annoy establishment Democrats and Blue Team fanatics. Cool. Family tradition upheld. 

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
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          52. You are awesome, Dear, and I hope

          you continue to be the fly in the ointment forever.

          Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
    • 2bAnon (4163 posts)
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      53. Got nothin' to do with Pizza Gate and Purple Haze, I'll Stake My Life On that

      for sure.

      Breitbart, Alex Jones and other elucidating sources of opinion and thought are also innocent victims of  the Deep State’s “pearl clutching” lily livered gate keeper’s despotic authority…. and gosh we all know the Deep State is run by a gang of Femi-Nazi’s headed by none other than Witchy Brew swilling Clintonistas, running an international pedophile ring out of the state department’s various underground  basements in DC and elsewhere.  or some such.

      :sarcasm:

       

       

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