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    WTF is US doing re North Korea? Can this be really happening?

    Dangerous Crossroads: US “Rehearsal” of Invasion of North Korea. Largest Ever US-ROK Military Exercise  ** Pentagon Leads Over 300,000 Troops in a Rehearsal for an Invasion One Week after the White House Announces It’s Considering Military Action against North Korea   **  By Stephen Gowans  **   March 13, 2017  ** Global Research

    The United States and South Korea are conducting their largest-ever military exercises on the Korean peninsula [1], one week after the White House announced that it was considering military action against North Korea to bring about regime change. [2] The US-led exercises involve:

    • 300,000 South Korea troops
    • 17,000 US troops
    • The supercarrier USS Carl Vinson (image below)
    • US F-35B and F-22 stealth fighters
    • US B-18 and B-52 bombers
    • South Korean F-15s and KF-16s jetfighters. [3]

    While the United States labels the drills as “purely defensive” [4] the nomenclature is misleading. The exercises are not defensive in the sense of practicing to repel a possible North Korean invasion and to push North Korean forces back across the 38th parallel in the event of a North Korean attack, but envisage an invasion of North Korea in order to incapacitate its nuclear weapons, destroy its military command, and assassinate its leader.

    The exercises can only be construed as “defensive” if undertaken as preparation for a response to an actual North Korean first-strike, or as a rehearsed pre-emptive response to an anticipated first strike. In either event, the exercises are invasion-related, and Pyongyang’s complaint that US and South Korean forces are practicing an invasion is valid.

    But the likelihood of a North Korean attack on South Korea is vanishingly small. Pyongyang is outspent militarily by Seoul by a factor of almost 4:1, [5] and South Korean forces can rely on more advanced weapons systems than can North Korea. Additionally, the South Korean military is not only backed up by, but is under the command of, the unprecedentedly powerful US military.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/dangerous-crossroads-us-rehearsal-of-invasion-of-north-korea-largest-ever-us-rok-military-exercise/5579864

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    • Jan Boehmermann (4235 posts)
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      1. They do this shit all the time.

      Just a little bit bigger this time for show!

      • 99thMonkey (3780 posts)
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        9. We drift steadily in a direction of all-out war with N. Korea, you say "ho-hum"

        Not to be contrary, but this does not “happen all the time”.

        North Korea Diplomat Warns Of “Major Escalation That Might Turn Into Actual War”

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-07/north-korea-diplomat-warns-major-escalation-might-turn-actual-war

        • Jan Boehmermann (4235 posts)
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          12. I urge you to "cool your jets!"

          Please…….

          • 99thMonkey (3780 posts)
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            17. I'm not cooling my jets, but thanks for the advice.

            I suspect it’s well-intentioned, so no offense taken.

            But when US ramps up for an all-out war with nuclear-armed nations, I respectfully reserve the right to ask “WTF?”  .. and to be very concerned and to be very vocal about it.

            • Jan Boehmermann (4235 posts)
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              21. What "nuclear-armed nation" are you talking about?

              North Korea?   Oh puhlease!

              • Art from Ark (3020 posts)
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                34. Perhaps you might have a different attitude

                if you lived closer to Kim’s line of fire. It’s obvious to me, as a resident of Japan, that North Korea hates Japan far more than South Korea (they’ve even come to Japan and kidnapped Japanese citizens). Kim and his predecessor have shot several missiles either into Japanese airspace, or towards Japan. The last launch was unprecedented, in that it involved four missiles shot off simultaneously.

                 

                These missiles are basically modified scuds. They may have the range, but not the accuracy. It looks like North Korea is trying to tweak the accuracy. It also looks like they want to see the response to multiple simultaneous launches. With this latest launch, one missile was confirmed to have entered Japanese airspace– just barely. It fell into the Sea of Japan just 10 miles into Japan’s EEZ. Was it brought down by North Korea to see if they could accurately control its trajectory to a specific coordinate? Did it crash on its own accord? Was it shot down?

                 

                North Korea may very well have nuclear capacity. And North Korea hates Japan. You may scoff at it there on the other side of the world. But here in Japan, within range of a madman’s missiles, it is no laughing matter.

                The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
                • Jan Boehmermann (4235 posts)
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                  35. NK does not have nukes.

                  And Kim isn’t crazy enough to hit Japan with his crappy missiles.  He knows he’d be gone within minutes of his first missile hitting Japan.

                  • Art from Ark (3020 posts)
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                    36. North Korea has conducted 5 confirmed nuclear tests

                    The most recent was in September of last year.

                     

                    https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/北朝鮮の核実験_(2016年9月)

                     

                    And if Kim isn’t crazy enough to launch a missile attack against Japan, why has he been shooting missiles toward Japan?

                    I don’t think you really understand the gravity of the situation over here.

                    The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
                    • Jan Boehmermann (4235 posts)
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                      41. Sorry, but I used to work in the veriification field. Those tests were jokes.

                      NK is still far away from a usable nuclear warhead.

                      • Art from Ark (3020 posts)
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                        42. How is the detonation of nuclear devices a joke?

                        Let’s see the hard data .

                        The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
                      • Jan Boehmermann (4235 posts)
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                        43. You need to have a device that can be delivered……

                        … and a system capable of delivery.

                      • Art from Ark (3020 posts)
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                        44. Japan just held a 2 + 2 meeting with Russia today

                        to pledge mutual protection against nuclear missiles from North Korea.

                         

                        The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
                      • Jan Boehmermann (4235 posts)
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                        45. Well, that's a good thing.

                        Cooperation is always a good thing.

                      • Art from Ark (3020 posts)
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                        46. It means that both Japan and Russia think the NK threat is real

                        And on the same day, NK announced it had considerably upgraded its delivery system. Whether that is a fact or just blustering remains to be seen.

                         

                        But at least now that Russia and Japan have announced cooperation against a potential NK missile attack, it might make The Nutty Dictator back down a bit.

                        The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
                      • Jan Boehmermann (4235 posts)
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                        47. Not necessarily.

                        What it means is that Russia is willing to cooperate with Japan to put pressure on NK and their sabre rattling.

                      • Art from Ark (3020 posts)
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                        48. Perhaps Russia doesn't see NK as the same kind of threat

                        since Kim has not been shooting off missiles toward Vladivostok, but the Japanese defense minister Fumio Kishida certainly sees the NK nuclear missile program as a very serious threat.

                        The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
    • leveymg (3495 posts)
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      2. Deposit another $250 million in gold into a numbered Swiss account.

      ♦Same as we have periodically for many years.  Or, find another source of spare parts for your Kia.

      • 99thMonkey (3780 posts)
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        7. delete

        • leveymg (3495 posts)
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          11. So, what are we really doing differently this time?

          Or, what should we be doing?  Serious questions.

          • 99thMonkey (3780 posts)
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            20. That post was misplaced, intended as a response to reply #1

            which I corrected as soon as I could.  sorry.

    • gardengoddess (455 posts)
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      3. Keep poking that hornets nest with a stick…..

      New rules…..warmongers go in first………. :banghead:

      Sheeeeuhlookuhlikeuhgnome        
      • OzoneTom (860 posts)
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        6. If only!

        The draft really did have a moderating effect.

        Pleased to have matching hands and feet.
    • elias39 (3972 posts)
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      4. The PTB and the MIC seem to think it's a good time to

      conquer the world. It’s “all in”.

      “Name, no, nothing is nameable, tell, no, nothing can be told, what then, I don't know, I shouldn't have begun.” ― Samuel Beckett, Stories and Texts for Nothing
      • leveymg (3495 posts)
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        5. If we want to conquer, might as well be a place we want to keep.

        More like Saudi Arabia or Monaco.

        • Jan Boehmermann (4235 posts)
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          8. I really liked invading Grenada !

          Not a lot of money to be made.   But nice climate.

          People were fairly friendly too.

          • leveymg (3495 posts)
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            13. They'd probably give us a discount return rate if we went back.

            All we have to do is something stupid like putting a base in Beirut again.  The islands welcome you!

            • Jan Boehmermann (4235 posts)
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              14. Almost nobody killed….. It was great!

        • gardengoddess (455 posts)
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          15. How about Tahiti…French Polynesia?

          I would want to keep those

          Sheeeeuhlookuhlikeuhgnome        
          • Jan Boehmermann (4235 posts)
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            18. Then better join the en.legion-recrute.com

            But they are not fun! ………

            • gardengoddess (455 posts)
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              22. Silly me….

              here I thought I was being funny.

              Sheeeeuhlookuhlikeuhgnome        
    • Ferd Berfel (5264 posts)
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      10. TRump & the Republicans need another 9/11

      to divert attention.   We are at the mercy of insane sociopaths.

      Attacking NK would come under SOP these days

      …and you think you’re going to stop this simply by ‘pulling a lever’, in a booth, behind a curtain, every 2 years? - Know yourself. And if you need help with that, call the FBI. -  There is only ONE solution to this mess:  New Party !  
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      • jhart3333 (138 posts)
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        19. Just what I was thinking too.

        step 1: Create a crisis

        profit!

        Lifelong Dem(40+ years) who demexited after Bernie got screwed out of the nomination. Now a proud member of the Green Party. And yes, I voted for Jill Stein.
    • madfloridian (2045 posts)
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      23. Kinda pushing our luck…N Korea and Russia simultaneously.

      Do they mean these stupid threats to scare us or the other countries?  The other countries are going to get fed up quickly with our bluster.

      If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
      • 99thMonkey (3780 posts)
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        24. Yes indeed they are..USA! already has a well-deserved reputation as Global Bully

        Hubris I think it’s called.

    • hopemountain (2295 posts)
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      25. "Our greatest threat is North Korea." – Bernie

      his response  during a primary debate to the question “what do you believe is the greatest threat to our country?”  – verbatim-

      his response stuck in my head because they are a threat. their government is run by a fucking loon.

      "economic and environmental justice is spiritual work." ~ tom b. k. goldtooth .... "question everything – including, organizations touting labels proclaiming stewardship of living things and high ideals when in truth, they fanatically practice the stewardship of exploitation, greed, and destruction."
      • 99thMonkey (3780 posts)
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        26. I recall a very different answer to that question: it was "Climate Change"

        This was during one of the debates, in answer to the question: “what do you regard as the biggest threat to our national security?

        • hopemountain (2295 posts)
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          28. yes, that was the question.

          but i remember differently. how odd.

          "economic and environmental justice is spiritual work." ~ tom b. k. goldtooth .... "question everything – including, organizations touting labels proclaiming stewardship of living things and high ideals when in truth, they fanatically practice the stewardship of exploitation, greed, and destruction."
        • hopemountain (2295 posts)
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          30. found back up for both of us ~

          Greatest threat to US? Sanders says ‘paranoid’ N. Korea, Clinton picks ‘belligerent’ Russia

          https://www.rt.com/usa/331363-hillary-bernie-debate-foreign-policy/

           

          regarding climate change statement – not sure whether he repeated it during a debate – could not find evidence. but, there is this:

          CONCORD, N.H.—Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders was endorsed by Friends of the Earth, a progressive political action committee fighting climate change, during a campaign stop in New Hampshire today.

          .@BernieSanders: “Climate change is the single greatest threat facing the planet.” pic.twitter.com/CQalmDUP9X

          — Kate Scanlon (@scanlon_kate) August 1, 2015
          “I am very honored to receive the endorsement of one of the great environmental organizations not only in America, but in the world,” Sanders, I-Vt., said during the event.

          http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/01/bernie-sanders-climate-change-is-the-greatest-threat-facing-the-planet/

          "economic and environmental justice is spiritual work." ~ tom b. k. goldtooth .... "question everything – including, organizations touting labels proclaiming stewardship of living things and high ideals when in truth, they fanatically practice the stewardship of exploitation, greed, and destruction."
          • 99thMonkey (3780 posts)
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            32. Thanks for doing that leg-work ..been having "technical difficulties" w/interweb

            connection, and just got back on-line.  :hi:

          • Fawke Em (4090 posts)
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            37. He said both, but at different times.

            When he answered, “North Korea,” he was only given the choice of Russia, Iran and North Korea.

            When he answered, “Climate Change,” he was given an open-ended question that he could answer with whatever he truly thought.

                
    • TRex (3135 posts)
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      27. We never signed a peace treaty, still can go right back to war at any time.

      War makes money.

      “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.” - Obama
    • Aldroud (735 posts)
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      28. Jesus Flipping Christ in a leaking canoe, are you people listening to yourselves

      All this hyperventilating over a standard military exercise that’s been held EVERY FUCKING YEAR FOR DECADES?

      My goodness, next you’ll be having the vapors because there’s US troops in Germany.  GERMANY!?!?!  Isn’t the war “over there” over already?

      Here’s the facts.  A defense war does not preclude offensive action.  If the Norks attack SKorea, the OPLAN isn’t to just shove them back across the border and call it a day.  The plan is to remove the capability of Nork from being able to threaten SK ever again.  That means removing the political leadership, securing weapons of mass destruction, and eliminating the offensive war making capability of Nork.  Lil Kim has been acting more irrationally than his father and needs a strong show of force to remind him that, while he is king of the hill in his hermit kingdom, he’s only minor player in the game of thrones.  Really, half a chapter at most, and probably killed in a painful but embarrassing manner.

      • broiles (906 posts)
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        33. Yeah, just like we've done in Afghanistan. That'll show them.

        • Aldroud (735 posts)
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          40. Eh?

      • Art from Ark (3020 posts)
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        38. And you think China's just going to sit back

        while we conduct a massive pre-emptive strike on “Nork”? North Korea is their client state, after all, and one which shares a long border with China. And there has been growing anti-South Korea sentiment in China.

        The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
        • Aldroud (735 posts)
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          39. Honestly, I expect China to intervene

          In order to preserve a bufer state, China may actually end up doing the heavy lifting. Pick a general, support a coup, build a statue to little Kim, then dial the country back towards a more useful puppet state.

    • Punxsutawney (1755 posts)
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      31. There's 10 million people

      Living in Seoul South Korea. All within range of N. Korean artillery, that is dug into mountain sides, not to mention other weapons.  It will take time to neutralize it if hostilities break out. In other words, I would expect a blood bath, but that won’t be a problem for those in DC.

      To neoliberals, everyone and everything are disposable. -  Chris Hedges  “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith