'You'll See Rebellion': Sanders Supporters Denounce Open Threats by Superdelegates to Steal Nomination

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    • #276498
      WillyT
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      ‘You’ll See Rebellion’: Sanders Supporters Denounce Open Threats by Superdelegates to Steal Nomination – CommonDreams

       

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      Nearly 100 Democratic superdelegates told the New York Times in interviews this week that if Sen. Bernie Sanders does not arrive at the party’s 2020 convention in July with a majority of pledged delegates, they are willing to thwart the will of the plurality of primary voters—and potentially risk damaging Democrats’ chances of defeating President Donald Trump—in order to stop Sanders from winning the nomination.

      “In a reflection of the establishment’s wariness about Mr. Sanders,” the Times reported Thursday morning, “only nine of the 93 superdelegates interviewed said that Mr. Sanders should become the nominee purely on the basis of arriving at the convention with a plurality, if he was short of a majority.”

      The superdelegates, many of whom are current elected officials, are “willing to risk intraparty damage to stop his nomination at the national convention in July if they get the chance,” the Times reported.

      “If he doesn’t have a majority, it stands to reason that he may not become the nominee,” Jay Jacobs, the New York State Democratic Party chairman, said of Sanders, who has won the popular vote in the first three states of the Democratic primary race.

      Osita Nwanevu, political columnist for The New Republic, suggested the Times headline could be written another way…

       

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      More: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/27/youll-see-rebellion-sanders-supporters-denounce-open-threats-superdelegates-steal

       

       

    • #276507
      Ohio Barbarian
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      That’s just the way it is. I talked to a friend of mine last night who is a Vote Blue No Matter Whoer, and he was outraged. The only thing for him is beating Trump. I told him then vote for Bernie, avoid all of this, and Bernie’s the only one who can beat Trump, anyway. He said Bernie people were blackmailing him. I said no, it’s what democracy looks like–voting for politicians who offer what you want, but we’re not going to tolerate getting screwed again, and why should we care since he’ll vote for Sanders anyway if he’s the nominee?

      He said that I was stupid and immoral. I said that’s a fine way to persuade someone, told him to fuck off, and hung up. He called back and apologized.

      I’m pretty sure he will vote for Warren in Texas. Oh, well.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

      • #276550
        snot
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        and if it’s not too long for him, @Ohio Barbarian, you might try lovingly to direct him to this: “The New Rules of the Game,” by Chris Hedges – https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-new-rules-of-the-game/ .  To me, Hedges made a compelling case for why we MUST stop voting for the “least worst” rather than for candidates who’re really fighting for us.  An excerpt:

        “The Democrats have, once again, offered us their preselected corporate candidates. We can vote for a candidate who serves oligarchic power, albeit with more decorum than Trump, or we can see Trump shoved down our throats. That is the choice. It exposes the least worst option as a con, a mechanism used repeatedly to buttress corporate power. The elites know they would be safe in the hands of a Hillary Clinton, a Barack Obama or a John Kerry, but not a Bernie Sanders — which is a credit to Sanders.

        “The surrender to the “least worst” mantra in presidential election after presidential election has neutered the demands of labor, along with those organizations and groups fighting poverty, mass incarceration and police violence. The civil rights, women’s rights, environment justice and consumer rights movements, forced to back Democrats whose rhetoric is palatable but whose actions are inimical to their causes, get tossed overboard. Political leverage, in election after election, is surrendered without a fight. We are all made to kneel before the altar of the least worst. We get nothing in return. The least worst option has proved to be a recipe for steady decay.

        “The Democrats, especially after Ralph Nader’s 2000 presidential run, have erected numerous obstacles to block progressives inside and outside the party. They make ballot access difficult or impossible for people of color. They lock third-party candidates and often progressives in the Democratic Party, such as Dennis Kucinich, out of the presidential campaign debates. They turn campaigns into two-year-long spectacles that cost billions of dollars. They use superdelegates to fix the nominating process. They employ scare tactics to co-op those who should be the natural allies of third parties and progressive political movements.

        “The repeated cowardice of the liberal class, which backs a Democratic Party that in Europe would be considered a far-right party, saw it squander its credibility. Its rhetoric proved empty. Its moral posturing was a farce. It fought for nothing. In assault after assault on the working class it was complicit. If liberals — supposedly backers of parties and institutions that defend the interests of the working class — had abandoned the Democratic Party after President Bill Clinton pushed through the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement, Trump would not be in the White House. Why didn’t liberals walk out of the Democratic Party when Clinton and the Democratic Party leadership, including Biden, passed NAFTA? Why didn’t they walk out when the Clinton administration gutted welfare? Why didn’t they walk out when Clinton pushed through the 1999 Financial Services Modernization Act, which abolished the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act, designed to prevent the kind of banking crisis that trashed the global economy in 2008? Why didn’t they walk out when year after year the Democratic Party funded and expanded our endless wars? Why didn’t they walk out when the Democrats agreed to undercut due process and habeas corpus? Why didn’t they walk out when the Democrats helped approve the warrantless wiretapping and monitoring of American citizens? Why didn’t the liberals walk out when the party leadership refused to impose sanctions on Israel for its war crimes, enact serious environmental and health care reform or regulate Wall Street? At what point will liberals say “Enough”? At what point will they fight back?

        “By surrendering every election cycle to the least worst, liberals proved they have no breaking point. There never has been a line in the sand. They have stood for nothing.”

        Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

      • #276669
        The Red Menace
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        I’ve heard that one before. And then they lost the election. You’d think these people would have learned something but well, I guess four years is a really long time for some.

        We’re not blackmailing anyone, but their egos ARE holding them hostage.

    • #276508
      yourout
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      If they do it it will be the end of the party and you will see a real 3rd party before the next presidential election.

      So in Rocky terms…… “Go for it”

    • #276511
      Two way street
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      This seems like grounds for a law suit.  Then starting up third party work,  to put Bernie on the ballot nationally during this summer.

      2020 Campaign Season: We the People are in the fight for our lives and livelihoods.

    • #276517
      chknltl
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      I’ve heard that next to the Democratic Convention there will be a second Convention oriented around starting a viable third party.

      IIRC that secondary Convention will kick off if the Dems steal the nomination from Bernie again.

      Sorry that I do not recall where or who I heard discuss this topic.

    • #276524
      Babel 17
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      incognito
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      Because THEY DON’T CARE IF THE PARTY IS DESTROYED.

      They are perfectly fine with Trump in office. He keeps their gravy train rolling.

      The threat has to be something HUGE. Like a third party run. Something they will never recover from and makes their gravy train come to a screeching halt.

       

      • #276588
        jwirr
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        So where do we begin? I know that what ever party we want him to fun in has to be on all the states ballots and that takes people signing a petition. I don’t know how to find out but we need someone who gets the info and then we need to run both that effort to get him nominated on the D ticket as well as be ready to start that other party. I am too old to do this but there must be someone who can.

        jwirr

        • #276683
          incognito
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          Nick Brana started it 4 years ago right after the DNC STOLE THE FIRST ELECTION. He worked for Bernie.

          I don’t see any problem getting Bernie on the ballot in every state. His political army would make it happen. He has Millions of volunteers. He’s also organized in every state.

          Nick would activate his organizationing skills and do what needs to be done… it’s doable and it’s a damn big hammer to hold over the DNC’s head. They would lose and lose Big…. that’s why they’re cheating again. They can’t win legitimately.


          @jwirr

      • #276677
        The Red Menace
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        This isn’t “damage to the party,” this isn’t even “death of the party.”

        This is “people are going to get fucking hurt in Milwaukee” – and some of those people are going to be the meatheads responsible for all of it.

        And the important thing is… it’s not just a “Bernie supporters” thing. Maybe we’re loudest – or just most willing to speak frank – but the plain fact is there are people in all camps who would be absolutely OUTRAGED by such a plain subversion of democracy. Especially if the person shoehorned in is some asshole nobody voted for.

        If the party screws the winner like this – whoever they are – there WILL be a bloodbath. And that’s not rhetorical.

    • #276530
      Haikugal
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      We will not be denied, not this time.

      The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.

    • #276532
      Satan
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      Granted, the daily insanity of Cheetoworld might make it SEEM like 2016 was a long time ago, but it really wasn’t. Surely they haven’t forgotten what happens when you blatantly STEAL a nomination, and force a shitty candidate who NOBODY who isn’t a treasonous Wall Street Piece of Shit would have any unholy desire to vote for.

      Dementia Joe would be worse than Hillary. Bloomberg – whom the corporate media currently treats as a frontrunner, despite having ZERO votes and ZERO delegates – would be literally no different than the Orange Imbecile, right down to the stupid Made In China baseball caps with an idiotic slogan on them.

      If the superdelegates do this again, they get exactly what they deserve. Unfortunately, so do all the other mortals who allow them to get away with it. And even those of us in Hell, who will no doubt have to absorb the fallout.  Because 4 more years of this dragonshit is going to see a big body count… be it from more stupid wars, incompetence in handling a pandemic like the one we’re witnessing right now in real time, a civil war that might result from this massive electoral fraud, or Hell forbid, all three.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #276547
      Mick063
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      If the Democratic Party cannot he changed from within, then I want it to die.

       

      "I welcome their hatred" Franklin D Roosevelt

    • #276551
      MizzGrizz
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      ..they don’t care what we say or what we do or even if we leave or have left the party.

      They make a pile win or lose.That’s all that matters to them.In truth,they prefer coronations to primaries.They only have voters at all because a political party would look foolish without them.

       

       

       

      • #276706
        joentokyo
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        I would have said, they prefer corporate donations to primaries.

        “A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves” ~ French philosopher Bertrand de Jouvenel (1903-1987)

    • #276705
      joentokyo
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      The rebellion was squashed and followed by business as usual. Why would anyone doubt that TPTB won’t do the same again. I think they will try even if he has a majority going into the convention.

      “A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves” ~ French philosopher Bertrand de Jouvenel (1903-1987)

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