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      jbnw
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      During a visit to the recently liberated Kherson on Nov. 14, President Volodymyr Zelensky said that Ukraine is ready for peace, but a peace for all of its territories, which is why it continues operations to liberate the occupied areas.

      “We respect international law and the sovereignty of every state, and now we are talking about the sovereignty of our state. That is why we are fighting against Russian aggression,” Zelensky said. “We are not interested in the territory of other countries. We are only interested in the de-occupation of our country and our territories.”

      https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/zelensky-we-are-ready-for-peace-a-peace-for-all-of-ukraine

      Alex Christoforou and Alexander Mercouris have just discussed this and other possible implications such as discussions between the CIA director and Russia.


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      Zelensky did say he’s ready for peace, but with massive and unlikely preconditions.

    • #497803
      Ohio Barbarian
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      But just what does he mean by “our country” and “our territory” today? That’s the key. Plus, he’s going to sound a little more bellicose while celebrating the recapture of part of a Ukrainian city after the Russians withdrew instead of fighting house-to-house.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

      • #497806
        jbnw
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        De-occupation of the country and territories seems like big condition to me.

        Or from November 6:

        Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said late Monday that Ukraine is prepared to negotiate with Russia if certain conditions are met, including the restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity, punishment of war criminals and compensation for Kyiv for the invasion.

        Between the lines: U.S. officials have reportedly been privately urging Zelensky — who said in September that he’d only negotiate with Russia’s next president, not Vladimir Putin — to signal openness to talks. Zelensky reiterated Ukraine’s several conditions for any such talks and one of his top aides denied Tuesday that Kyiv felt any pressure to negotiate.

        https://www.axios.com/2022/11/08/zelensky-peace-talks-putin-war-criminals

        Much as I’d like to see peace, I’d like to see it such a way that it’d be safe to return to Ukraine.

        • #497807
          djean111
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          In the streets.  Filmed and photographed gleefully.

          America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

          "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

          A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

          • #497808
            jbnw
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            I think a lot of what has been called ethnic Russians really means Ukrainians who speak Russian as their home language.

            My Ukrainian wife has heard that those on the right bank of Kherson are now speaking Ukrainian for safety, though Russian is/was the preferred language there.

            There are also reports of vigilante “justice” and searches for “collaborators.”

            https://www.thedailybeast.com/photo-shows-alleged-russian-collaborators-tied-to-lampposts-in-kherson-ukraine

            • #497810
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              I just cannot wrap my head around torturing and killing people solely based on what language they speak.  Or dehumanizing people in order to torture and kill by calling them orcs and cockroaches, based solely on what language they speak.

              America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

              "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

              A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

              • #497813
                jbnw
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                I think of my wife as ethnic Ukrainian, born in the Soviet Union, with parents from Ukraine and Belorussia – both Soviet republics at the time.

                But she doesn’t know much beyond that because records were destroyed during World War II and would be interested if there’s more to find out.

                We might be able to tell if DNA testing can differentiate between Ukraine and Russia – though that might just be regional, like France and Belgium.

                • #497869
                  Ohio Barbarian
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                  With my wife, it nailed her Ukrainian ancestors down right to the city–Przemysl, now in Poland. She also has Baltic and Russian. She does know one branch of her family left Minsk for the US in the 1920s.

                  The Ukrainian civil war itself seems more like Ukraphones vs. Russophones more than anything genuinely ethnic. But the Ukrainian Nazis have an ideology that even Goering would find weird.

                  Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

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                  • #497875
                    jbnw
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                    It’s like Canada having a war between French speakers and English speakers.

                    And we will be curious what it says –

                    I had interesting results when I did it a few years ago. I’m a pretty typical American what DNA from much of the world, including European, First Nations, Inuit, MesoAmerican, and even East Asia – a surprise to find out that there’s a percentage of Kazakh background from someone . . .

    • #497816
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      “If anyone from the outside interferes in Ukraine, they should know this: If they create threats for us… we will retaliate immediately. We have all the tools we need to respond, and all the decisions on this (matter), have already been made.”
      Russian President Vladimir Putin

      by Mike Whitney

       

      There’s no doubt that the retreat from Kherson was a black-eye for the Russian Army. There’s also no doubt that the general who ordered the evacuation made the right decision. True, the optics are terrible, but optics don’t win wars. Strategy, valor and firepower wins wars. Russian General Sergey Surovikin appears to grasp that fact which is why he made the unpopular decision to retreat.

      Surovikin could have made the more politically acceptable choice and defended Kherson to the end, but the risks far outweighed the benefits. By all accounts, the 25,000 Russian troops in the city could have easily been encircled and annihilated by Ukrainian artillery. Additionally, Surovikin would have been forced to commit more troops to a rescue mission that would not have advanced Russia’s overall military strategy in the slightest. Russia’s immediate goal is to complete the liberation of the Donbas, a task that is not yet finished and which requires more of the troops that had been pinned-down in Kherson.

      For all intents and purposes, the retreat from Kherson was a no-brainer. If the nightmare scenario had unfolded –as many had expected– and thousands of Russian soldiers wound up surrounded and slaughtered in defense of a city that holds little strategic value, then popular support for the war in Russia would have vanished overnight. Neither Putin nor Surovikin could afford to take that risk. So, instead, they opted to pack-it-in and evacuate while they still could, which of course, incited the fury of their critics who are still hopping mad. The good news, however, is that the Kherson public relations disaster will have no meaningful impact on the outcome of the war. Russia is still on-track to achieve all of its strategic objectives despite the pitfalls it has encountered along the way. Here’s a brief recap of the Russian withdrawal from an interview with Colonel Douglas MacGregor:

      “When General Surovikin took command… it was decided that Russia was going to wait for a decisive operation to end the war. In other words, no more simply defending southern Ukraine and the territory we’ve annexed, no more expectations of negotiations with anyone– those are over– we have to end the war.

       

       

      LINK–TheUnzReview, The Stage Is Set for US Combat Troops in Ukraine

       

      Colonel Douglas MacGregor stated the ground in Ukraine needs to freeze. That will not happen overnight, but check this out:

      Starting this coming Friday, November 18, 2022 at 1am the air temperature will be below 37 degrees Fahrenheit. The past few months the Russians working on an increase of troops. Many of those troops are definitely trained and ready to go. This can be said about the Russians, which is the military is an all weather force. Of course, some weather conditions are better than others, but…

      If true about the negotiations going on between Russia and the U.S., they are at the feeling out stage at best. Both Mike Whitney and Colonel Douglas MacGregor do remind us, the Russian has not fulfilled their objectives at this point. Even the Duran mentions there is no reason for the Russians to trust the U.S. Let’s see what happens in the Donbas.

      Here is the elephant in the room for me, the Chinese know there is another U.S. military campaign in the works, and it is them. It would be great to be a fly on the wall when the Russians and the Chinese are saying to each other.

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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      • #497826
        jbnw
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        The Dnieper river looked about like this. You’ll have to correct the link to see, but otherwise, it’s a white iced over river with a car on it.

        I don’t know what’s coming, but let’s just say I suspect that it’ll be easier to cross from the left bank to the right bank.

        https://core-pht-proxy.maps.yandex (dot) ru/v1/photos/download?photo_id=PSoV6WP0XkVW0Df4VZAWEQ&image_size=X4L

    • #497817
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      In a wide-ranging interview with Finian Cunningham, former US military intelligence analyst Scott Ritter calls out a complex of American-made problems threatening world peace.

      Here are some comments said by Scott Ritter during the interview:

      “One has to question who is the power seeking to turn this into a nuclear conflict. Because I don’t think it’s Russia.”

      He says the US has abandoned diplomacy and respect for other nations. “We view Russia as a defeated enemy from the Cold War… we want to dictate to Russia” and others.

      Ritter compares the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 and the present tensions and dangers between the United States and Russia. He says it’s like comparing a knife fight with a machine-gun battle in the present. “We had a handful of nukes back then which would have destroyed cities. We now have nation-destroying nuclear arsenals that would end the planet”.

      Ritter says the US leadership no longer fears or respects Russia as the John F Kennedy administration and previous administrations did. The “stunning hubris” in Washington makes the danger of war spinning out of control.

       

      Ritter also stated the CIA Director William Burns is conducting back-channel negotiations because he wrote a book on the subject. Interesting!

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    • #497822
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      …on destroying our hopes for survival on this planet due to their needs for profits.

      I am 68 this month, I’d like to make it to 69 or 70.

      If I pass on today or tomorrow, well I had a good run.

      What brings me to tears are those who survive a nuclear exchange between U.S. led NATO, the U.S., Russia and China.

      I can not fathom a parent trying to feed their children when their sole source of sustenance is the family pet.

      Yeah, I know….but that could easily be what humanity is reduced to.

      Fight for peace!

    • #497828
      Babel 17
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      They are burning through material faster than the NATO allies can produce or acquire them, and the influx of troops trained by NATO nations is lower than the number of them likely getting killed.

      Give Ukraine a six month cease fire and it might end up then having the resources to punch through Russian lines in some spots, and be able to bolster their already good defenses against Russian advances. They have the concrete bunkers, they just need more ammo, artillery, shells, missiles, and drones, to make assaulting them much more daunting.

      Nobody outside of the real experts knows how well Russia’s tracked armored vehicles will perform in the snow, and how big an advantage they’ll give them over Ukraine which has far fewer vehicles suitable for fighting in the snow, and for transporting troops. But the months when Russia brings up all of its tracked armor, and hundreds of thousands of soldiers that will have completed their advanced training, are likely to be a severe test of Ukraine’s ability to handle massive assaults conducted in a winter environment.

       

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