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  • Two way street (1962 posts)
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    FDR's Second Bill of Rights

    http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/07/remembering-franklin-delano-roosevelt-and-the-second-bill-of-rights/

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    The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation;

    The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

    The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

    The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

    The right of every family to a decent home;

    The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

    The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident and unemployment;

    The right to a good education.   more at link

    Seems like we had only a few main media broadcasters  in 1944.

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    • Ohio Barbarian (3242 posts)
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      1. The tragedy is that we were so close to seeing this become reality.

      Henry Wallace came within maybe a minute of being made the Vice-Presidential nominee in 1944. Somebody once contacted Harry Turtledove, the master of alternative history novels, asking why he didn’t write one about that possibility. He answered, indirectly, in a preface or internet piece, I forget, that he didn’t because it wouldn’t sell books.

      Too boring. The world would have been too peaceful, prosperous, and uneventful, much like it would have been if the British had won the American Revolutionary War.

      But FDR’s Second Bill of Rights is important. It’s something that we can still use today, and the more awareness about it the better. Recommended for the Daily Radical.

      "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
      • Two way street (1962 posts)
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        2. Bernie and his followers tried to rally the country and the Democratic Platform

        Committee only to have the Clinton New Democrats continue to say no to and limit the rights of 50% of Americans that are poor, minorities, women and workers, reuse to come out against unjust trade policies like TPP, refuse to limit dirty energy from the further destruction of the environment, refuse to provide for affordable education, housing/water/food, and real healthcare for all Americans.

        snip from media source in Reply #1 ><

        Roosevelt also knew full well that Congress would never endorse an economic bill of rights. Dominated since 1938 by a conservative coalition of Republicans and Southern Democrats, Congress had been doing everything it could to terminate the New Deal, limit the rights of workers and minorities and block new liberal initiatives.  ><

        That includes Southern Democrats like Arkansas’ Bill and Hillary Clinton.

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      • Doremus Jessup (2223 posts)
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        6. Sad. Wallace had the votes in the first round.

        As you stated, just steps away from the second before the vote was shut down and more votes were bought that night. FDR stayed in San Diego and wouldn’t fight for Wallace for some reason. I’m not sure that I have ever heard or read why FDR didn’t support Wallace in 1944. I wouldn’t doubt we had a shadow government at that time in our history.

        Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. End ALL occupations and bring the troops home.
        • Ohio Barbarian (3242 posts)
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          7. FDR was very ill at the time, in fact he was slowly dying. That probably had

          something to do with it. Oliver Stone, in his Untold History of the United States, speculates that corporate interests pressured party leaders, including FDR, to let Truman get the VP nod or they would back Dewey, who conceivably could have won with their support. I don’t think he would have, but we will never know.

          "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
    • Marym625 (21686 posts)
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      3. Excellent!

      We most definitely need to fight for this.

      This is not something for The Daily Radical because that’s original content by members. But I’ll stick it at the top of all forums for a few days

      Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • Two way street (1962 posts)
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        4. Thank you.

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        • Marym625 (21686 posts)
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          9. No, thank you!

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • VoiceOfReason (989 posts)
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            11. no, thank you

            ad infinitum

            "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire BERN BABY BERN!!  War is madness!
            • Marym625 (21686 posts)
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              13. No problem. We need this!

              Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • Go Vols (145 posts)
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      5. +1

      http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/01/not-4-sale-principle-slogan-real-democrats.html
    • ramparta (184 posts)
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      8. "freedom of speech and religionm from want and fear" fdr sou 1941

      our “greatest generation” fought for those freedoms and the new deal. as long as that generation held power no one dared to talk of limiting social security or privatizung education.

      • Two way street (1962 posts)
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        10. Freedom of Speech and Assembly has been stopped by voter suppression,

        election fraud programs like Crosscheck.  Instead of going after Crosscheck and voter suppression, the New Democratic Party went with the Obama-Clinton Purple Russian Rain beginning in June 2016 right after the last 8 state Primary and until Vault 7 opened up the Clouds.

        Thanks to the Constitution, Julian Assange is protected by the 1st Amendment. Julian Assange has welcomed their hatred just as FDR did.  I hope that the Clouds will produce who and how cheating brought the New Democratic Party to where it is today; a loser.

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    • ravensong (1146 posts)
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      12. Recommend! nt

      “Democratic socialism means that we must reform a political system which is corrupt—that we must create an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy,”  ~ Sen. Bernie Sanders  
    • hypergrove (171 posts)
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      14. A 2nd bill of "rights"?

      Cass Sunstein in his book “The Second Bill of Rights: FDR’s Unfinished Revolution–And Why We Need It More Than Ever” strongly asserts that, because FDR sharply mistrusted the judicial branch, he did NOT think the US Constitution should be amended by his 2nd Bill of Rights. Rather, FDR wanted it to be the basis of a very broad progressive legislative agenda, and indeed it was (e.g., Medicare, Pell Grants, OSHA, many others …)

      Michael Moore, in “Capitalism: A Love Story”, repeatedly made the unfortunate mistake of thinking FDR wanted to change the Constitution. He pointed to so many constitutions around the world which have since embedded substantially the same language as in FDR’s 2nd Bill, and Moore bemoaned that we hadn’t, almost as an insult to FDR.

      One thing to ask: why did FDR propose such a progressively ethical view of relations between government and citizenry?  I was startled to find out that many of the provisions in his 2nd Bill had already been incorporated into both the Soviet/Lenin and German/Hitlerian constitutions — our competitiors on the world stage, whose philosophies seriously challenged our domestic politics from 1917 onward.

      For instance, from Wikipedia,

      The (1936 Soviet) constitution repealed restrictions on voting and added universal direct suffrage and the right to work to rights guaranteed by the previous constitution. In addition, the Constitution recognized collective social and economic rights including the rights to work, rest and leisure, health protection, care in old age and sickness, housing, education, and cultural benefits.

      Now I realize just how much the Republicans hammered FDR and subsequent Democrats with this particular political sledge. And I see now what motivated McCarthy’s drive to oust all the “Communists” from the government, those left-wing progressives rather than (more reasonably) right-wing authoritarians sympathetic to the power behind Lenin’s purges.

      Maybe you’ve heard Ted Cruz yammer on about the 1905 “Lochner v New York” decision and its centrality to current American domestic policy.  That was the decision that forbade the minimum wage law passed by New York, a decision grounded in the political philosphy of the Republican Party.  This philosophy is held still to this day by the Freedom Caucus.  This wretched decision was fnally indirectly overturned by the Supremes during FDR’s term, apparently in direct response to FDR’s threat to add three new judges to the Court, good on him!!

      I mention Lochner because it needed to be overturned — just like Citizens United needs to be overturned — before progressive policies could finally come to fruition.

       

       

       

      J ! Justice, Democrats, Justice ! P ! Primary the Corporatists ! R ! Roosevelt’s 2nd Bill of Rights !
      • Two way street (1962 posts)
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        15. One World Government Activist Cruz-Rep Senator from Texas cares nothing for the

        the working classes and common poor.

        http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/30/left-accept-ted-cruz-dominionist-messiah.html

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        As Huffington Post reported earlier this month, “It turns out that Ted’s father, Rafael Cruz, is a pastor with Texas charismatic ministry Purifying Fire International who has been campaigning against Obamacare the last several months.”

        According to New Beginnings’ Dominionist pastor, Larry Huch, Ted Cruz got elected to the senate because God is about to begin his “rule and reign” and there will be a big “end-time transfer of wealth.” Somehow, transferring wealth is a good thing when the money is being taken from non-believers and awarded the church but bad if rich folks and corporations are expected to pay their way.

        It is no coincidence that those rich folks and corporations are big supporters of people like Ted Cruz.

        God chose Ted Cruz and he is now apparently selecting his bankers. As HuffPo explains the results, they seem to have very little to do with anything Jesus preached about wealth, even though a weaponized Jesus figures prominently in Dominionist plans:       read the plans and more by clicking on the link. ><

        Cruz has been appointed by his father to head the Seven Mountains in order to control the world for the rich people who have devalued the dollar ever since the 1913 Jekyll Island meeting to set up the private Federal Reserve Bank with Federal Reserve Notes (stock market, money and dollar bills that they control).

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jekyll_Island_Club

        Cruz directly confronted  the outsider Trump during the 2016 Republican Primary season and refused to support him as the Presidential Nominee.  Wealthy Texans supported Canadian born, Cruz for the Nomination.  Cruz wants the his church to handle the money/wealth in the World instead of the Royalist who came to America in the late 1700’s and 1800’s to take over the Second Bank of the United States of America.

         

         

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        • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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          18. what do you mean by 'royalist' there?

          • Two way street (1962 posts)
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            19. Oligarchy that our Founding Fathers fought against. They are still here. Same

            Oligarch decedents that F.D. Roosevelt, spoke of as President.

            https://thegreenpulpit.com/tag/royalist/

            The Concluding paragraph:

            As we look at America today, we must take Washington’s warnings to heart. The state of the republic reflects that of the Articles of Confederation with oligarchical tyranny and corruption of institutions being the law of the land; Washington’s desires for the people to be able to change their government has not come to pass with ease and many age old outlying problems of the republic goon without being addressed. Solutions are stifled by the Republican and Democratic parties, owned by oligarchical entities now more than they ever were, with two studies from Princeton and a French author showing that public influence over government decisions is practically non-existent. The political parties today represent the oligarchical elite of international business with hardly a landed class or a merchant class to be represented among the internationalist power elite. They manipulate the value of our currency and the cost of goods and services in order to establish class domination and rule over government, clearly just as they always have. The Middle Class of America must come to a realization that their existence is not natural, but economically and politically unique; and that in order to retain their position of society they must keep to Washington’s warnings of vigilance about the fragility of republicanism and democracy especially among the midst of oligarchical corporate predators. Consider how far we have come since the Days of the Articles of Confederation, and ask yourself sociologically what has changed? Why do we continue to pass our decision making on to oligarchical elites? When will we be prepared for direct democracy ourselves, not held hostage by the cheque of an elite electoral college but of a true rule by the majority, by the greater interest of the people? Shouldn’t the United States be the tyranny of the majority, a class of true freedom and liberty? Or will we forever be hostages of the wealthy’s paradise, a Venetian Republic.

            See my reply # 16.

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            • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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              20. They are still here = agree

      • Two way street (1962 posts)
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        16. The Royalist of FDR's time that could pick up on the loses they created.

        http://www.jekyllislandhistory.com/federalreserve.shtml

        snip><  In October of 1907 several banking firms, starting with the Knickerbocker Trust Company of New York, collapsed as depositors withdrew funds for fear of unwise investments and misuse of money. Lines of people waited in front of the Knickerbocker to close their accounts. Days later, the Trust Company of America had droves of depositors removing their money. Then, shortly thereafter, a run took place at the Lincoln Trust Company. Across the country apprehension that the panic would continue to spread occurred. In the fall of 1907 the United States was in a recession, it’s banking system lacked a lender of last resort mechanism, and an intricate network of directorships, loans, and collateral bonded the fate of many financial institutions together.   more at site link

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    • slay (396 posts)
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      17. If The Democrats ever want people to trust them again – they should own this.

      Make it a part of their platform.  Reject Big Money, Wall Street, and Billionaires forever.  And if they won’t do it – Bernie should start a 3rd Party that will!

    • Two way street (1962 posts)
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      21. We the People are organizing through the People's Summit National Nurses United

      on the right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health without the loss of our homes and fears of having no protected retirement due to bankruptcy.

      Trumpcare is the very opposite of the Second Bill of Rights.

      https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/peoples-summit-and-the-national-nurses-united/

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    • Two way street (1962 posts)
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      22. Nurses Drop Human Rights Banners at California Assembly Meeting, July 2017.

      Nurses are marching for Speaker Rendon to release Single Payer Bill 562 for a vote in the California Assembly.  Healthcare is a human right for every American.

      https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/nurses-drop-banners-at-ca-assembly-meeting/#post-698554

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      • Marym625 (21686 posts)
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        23. I just love the nurses!

        Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
        • Two way street (1962 posts)
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          24. My three best friends are nurses. Nurses are special as they do what needs to

          be done and they do it in the most perfect way possible.

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          • Marym625 (21686 posts)
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            25. Totally agree

            Special people, nurses are. And the NNU is just bloody fantastic

            Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
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